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Has 3D caused PJ to kill the Middle Earth "experience"?
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Nov 26 2012, 9:27pm

Post #26 of 39 (304 views)
LotR physics weren't a problem for me, either [In reply to] Can't Post

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None of the physics in the LotR movies bothers me.

That's just it -- the physics in LotR were great. It might have been stretched from time to time, but at least for me things stayed close enough to realistic that I was ok with it.

My concern is that physics may go out the window for The Hobbit.


Nov 26 2012, 10:01pm

Post #27 of 39 (300 views)
I gave Cameron a chance... [In reply to] Can't Post

I've only seen two conversions and they both were awful.

I didn't realize Alice in Wonderland was a conversion when I saw it. I had heard it was an ok movie based on word of mouth. All I wanted was an ok 3D movie at that time. Alas, not only was it terrible, but the 3D was awful too.

I had other reasons for wanting to see Titanic again in a theater, but I also figured that Cameron knew what he was doing with 3D and wouldn't release it if the 3D weren't good. And, I must admit, the 3D was better than in Alice. But it still didn't add anything to the movie, IMO.

I'm done with conversions now.

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...

Tol Eressea

Nov 26 2012, 10:16pm

Post #28 of 39 (270 views)
I for one thought Titanic's 3D conversion was a job well done. // [In reply to] Can't Post



Nov 27 2012, 12:01am

Post #29 of 39 (285 views)
I have to tell you, 3D gimmicks are the last thing I am worried about. [In reply to] Can't Post

If Gandalf's hat is blue, and his magic amidst the goblins is at least as astounding and effective as it is in the books, and Glorfindel, Lindon, Rivendell and the rest are credit alongside the Arnorians in the defeat of The Witch King, and a hundred wonderful details from the book are kept in, and the history of the Dwarves is not overly and needlessly altered, then he can put all the crazy 3D antics in that he wants and I will not complain. If it gets to be to much, I will make all my subsequent viewings standard format.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Nov 27 2012, 2:21am

Post #30 of 39 (223 views)
Anything 3D will be awesome in my book [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope they have a roller coaster like 3D effect or falling or flying, I hope things fly off the screen right at my face. I love the whole Middle Earth movie idea and I also love all things 3D, so if they did a few 3D tricks that would be an awesome bonus in my opinion.


"The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?
Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him."


Nov 27 2012, 2:59am

Post #31 of 39 (207 views)
Mehh... I'll have to kindly disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

3D should be used to bring you into the film, instead of the film popping out at you. PJ stated that he tried to shoot the The Hobbit in the same way that he shot LOTR. If this is true, it's a big relief.

Regardless of what anyone says (IMO) Avatar was a great example of how 3D can immerse you in a film. It didn't have things popping out at you. Instead, you could feel the atmosphere. You could see the bugs, the air, and the muscles of animals moving. Sure the story was nothing great by any means, but it showcased the potential of 3D.

I would rather be brought into Middle Earth than have it pop out at me. Sir Ian stated that this is the kind of 3D that they are going for with the films. If this is true (and if they upped the antee on avatar) than it should be nothing short of breathtaking.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Nov 27 2012, 6:33am

Post #32 of 39 (187 views)
It's almost certainly the part when they are captured by goblins [In reply to] Can't Post

They slide down a tunnel into a cage.

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I hope it's just a tunnel.


Nov 27 2012, 8:13am

Post #33 of 39 (166 views)
This seems reasonable, I suppose. [In reply to] Can't Post

How would they escape the cage? Gandalf?

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Nov 27 2012, 8:48am

Post #34 of 39 (177 views)
It's in the concept-art as well [In reply to] Can't Post

in one of the paintings of Goblin-town, we see a tunnel in the 'ceiling' and if you fall out of it you fall in some kind of goblin-crafted net (a safety net sounds strange when talking about goblins Smile )
In this painting we also see silhouettes: a goblin escorting a dwarf.

So I guess it's a tunnel somewhere between the cave in the mountains and goblin town


Nov 27 2012, 1:38pm

Post #35 of 39 (139 views)
I figured it was the escape [In reply to] Can't Post

and followed immediately afterwards by infamous "well that could have been worse!"

Edit: Putting everything in this thread together, it's clear that they escape by being flushed down the goblin-king's toilet, and that his corpse falls down after them. Evil

(This post was edited by dave_lf on Nov 27 2012, 1:41pm)

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Nov 27 2012, 1:50pm

Post #36 of 39 (116 views)
Ha no, definitely the capture [In reply to] Can't Post

It's mentioned in the movie storybook.



Nov 27 2012, 3:21pm

Post #37 of 39 (101 views)
I am obviously missing out by not having this book! // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Grey Havens

Nov 27 2012, 3:32pm

Post #38 of 39 (99 views)
Oh no it's rubbish. [In reply to] Can't Post

But it does have some useful tidbits in there.



Nov 28 2012, 1:37am

Post #39 of 39 (92 views)
I agree some but disagree some [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope they, as you say, upped the antee on avatar and push 3D even further. I agree that Avatar immersed you in a film, and I wish Cameron had done more with the 3D (flying, roller coaster ride, pop out of the screen), but I have to totally disagree with what you saying that Avatar's story was nothing great by any means, because it was the story in that movie that made people come back again and again and again and again, not the average 3D. The 3D helped immerse people into the film, but a phenonon like that does not happen unless it has an awesome story worth come back to see over and over and over and over and over again. I thought the story and the message of Avatar was equal to anything out there, including my favorites (Star Wars, LOTR, Harry Potter)...IMO

3D brings me into any film, but really sucks me in when it gets to the roller coaster/flying joy rides and things popping out of the screen, giving it far more depth and thus I become that much more immersed into the movie. The first time I watched Avatar, I struggled slightly from staying fully immersed because I was expecting the 3D joy ride when they were flying (but it was not to be).

Having said all that, this is just how I best enjoy 3D/films in general, and if Jackson goes more the route of Avatar with the 3D, I won't be expecting it like I did the first time watching Avatar, so I will easily stay immersed, and if others like yourself enjoy the movie better because the 3D is more subtle, than that is good too. If Jackson does throw a few pop outs and joy rides my way, it will just immerse me in more and make it that much better, but we'll all just have to wait and see at this point.


"The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?
Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him."

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