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Any pre-release jitters from my fellow TORnsibs about TH:AUJ criticism?
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Nov 25 2012, 10:23pm

Post #26 of 40 (325 views)
Backlash? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not concerned about a backlash because of LOTR...though it may well make some critics less gushy and a bit more analytical about it. Frankly, I think the thing most likely to cause backlash is the addition of the second storyline. Depending on how many of these critics read The Hobbit in their youth, and whether or not they know in advance what is being added to the story, that could come as a shock if it jars their own remembrance of the story. And, depending on the critic, that could bump the review either way - some may be confused or disappointed, others may love the change. I remember Roger Ebert was somewhat tepid in his FOTR review because he read the book once many years before and the movie was not the light little adventure he apparently remembered.

As far as Oscars, I'm not expecting very many, at least for AUJ. If lightning strikes twice and this repeats the success of FOTR, then we may have a better chance of Oscars for the other two. But I absolutely do not expect TABA to repeat the ROTK sweep - that's the sort of thing that happens once. I doubt any of these pictures will get serious consideration for Best Picture, even if they get a nomination. In addition to being fantasy, which has now gotten its historic nod, these look to be more comic in tone, and when was the last time the BP Oscar went to a light or comedic movie? They like dark or at least serious for Best Picture. Nor do I really expect acting awards, except possibly a Best Supporting nod for RA in TABA....but that's a best case scenario if his character and the script display the depth and pathos we're all hoping for. We may well snag the Best Ensemble Cast BAFTA again. Smile

If the HFR 3D goes over well, they will probably get technical awards...at least special industry recognitions even if not Oscars. Effects, makeup, sound and set design are also likely categories. Possibly costume, though not unless the category is soft or Ann Maskrey's designs are sufficiently different to Ngila Dickson's (again, the sense of "more of the same", even if it's very good, will hinder Oscars). Soundtrack should have a pretty good shot.

Anyway, the critics don't scare me. Wink Even if this film isn't a critical darling, as long as it's as good as it's looking now, it will be a popular success, which is pretty good for a sequel trilogy 11 years coming!



Nov 25 2012, 11:40pm

Post #27 of 40 (265 views)
None at all. [In reply to] Can't Post

For what it's worth, I'm not that bothered what any reviewer says. Some will love it, some won't - that's inevitable. The only review that really matters to me is my own - when I've seen it I'll know what I think.


Nov 25 2012, 11:55pm

Post #28 of 40 (251 views)
I agree -- not worried about what others will say [In reply to] Can't Post

For the sake of everyone who worked so hard, I hope that it's well-received. But although I hope that AUJ will blow everyone away, nothing any critic says will diminish my own pleasure in the movie. And no award will change how I feel about it.


Nov 26 2012, 12:17am

Post #29 of 40 (246 views)
Don't know yet... [In reply to] Can't Post

I honestly don't care if it gets bad reviews, mediocre reviews, or acclaimed reviews. If I enjoy it (which I know I will), then that's all that matters, IMO. I got my money's worth, and I'm satisfied. Why should I bother caring about what a critic who is probably biased towards this genre anyway? I LOVED the film "Your Highness" and the new "Conan the Barbarian", and they were both critically panned. But I own both and watch them more than any other film. It's all about opinions. Although something's telling me RottenTomatoes' rating will be between 75-85. I know some critics will hate the more light-hearted tone of the film.

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Nov 26 2012, 12:42am

Post #30 of 40 (229 views)
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Nov 26 2012, 1:17am

Post #31 of 40 (235 views)
The only "jitters" I have are all about excitement! [In reply to] Can't Post

I pay no attention to critics, reviewers or nay-sayers. We've been waiting for so long and gone through so much to get these films made, I avoid any negativism. For me it's a waste of energy and diminishes what Jackson and his filmic family have achieved. LotR and TH films are unique from the typical "Hollywood" fare, imho. I am having fun anticipating these Hobbit films and all the discoveries to come. A new story, players, music... an experience that will soon be as much a part of me as LotR is. I can't WAIT to get to know them all! :)


I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.

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Nov 26 2012, 1:33am

Post #32 of 40 (218 views)
Amen to that :) [In reply to] Can't Post


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Nov 26 2012, 4:03am

Post #33 of 40 (233 views)
My greatest fear... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that the new films cop the Star Wars treatment. How is that possible you ask?

Star Wars was LOVED. In a million years I never thought such a great story could be turned to mud -but it was. The Hobbit films are in no way guaranteed to be great just because LOTR's was awesome -don't be naive.

Peter Jackson (Just like George Lucas) has the ability to turn gold into garbage if allowed too much freedom.

Time will tell.

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Nov 26 2012, 4:57am

Post #34 of 40 (211 views)
Quite possible. Jackson has an advantage though. [In reply to] Can't Post

He's using one of the greatest fantasy novels ever as his guide to telling the story. The more he keeps to that guide, and fleshes out the story according to Tolkien's writings, he's golden. Lucas didn't have that advantage. The stories he wrote for the prequels just weren't that interesting. Or they were executed poorly with miscastings, and poor dialogue.

The only thing I could see being poorly conceived, is the White Council plotline if it just doesn't fit into the movie well. Possible, but not probable.

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(This post was edited by Maiarmike on Nov 26 2012, 4:58am)

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Nov 26 2012, 8:08am

Post #35 of 40 (181 views)
What ruined Star Wars was the plot... [In reply to] Can't Post

The plot of the prequel-trilogy was really bad, and lacked so much, and it didn't make sense...

The Hobbit is at least based on a fantastic book, and the basic plot will be the same, and based on what we have seen, this can't go as wrong as Star Wars... I hope... Tongue

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Nov 26 2012, 8:36am

Post #36 of 40 (160 views)
From what I've read [In reply to] Can't Post

People who haven't read the book tend to think it's a good film, while those who have read the book, tend to think the film is rubbish.

I don't think the film was horrible, but then again, I haven't read the book.

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Nov 26 2012, 3:47pm

Post #37 of 40 (103 views)
I go with my gut instinct. [In reply to] Can't Post

and follow it. If I like a film on first viewing I rarely, if ever, change my mind afterwards. If it stinks, it stinks the first time. If its great, its always great. Like my feelings towards LOTR. Great.
Critics dont change my mind, but I do think more about their opinions and try to be fair minded about their concerns. Hollywood has zero influence on my views.


Nov 26 2012, 5:24pm

Post #38 of 40 (66 views)
I didn't like it [In reply to] Can't Post

I was looking forward to The Lovely Bones because I was a big fan of the people making it, but I was pretty disappointed by the movie.

And I loved King Kong.

I think The Hobbit will get rave reviews, though. Before, I thought it'd get some criticism for not being like the book, but I think critics are expecting an epic follow-up to LotR now, so that won't be a problem. And everything I've seen makes me think the movie will be top-notch in terms of artistry and acting. Maybe I'm nieve about Oscar-politicking, but I imagine most critics form an opinion of a movie after they've seen it rather than before. Besides, the critics have very little influence over the Oscars anyway. Their choices rarely win.

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Nov 26 2012, 5:29pm

Post #39 of 40 (74 views)
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My opinion here is that like star wars and all of the prequels, much of the critiques will be based off of fan reaction and not the critics own reactions to the film. Critics know they have fans and readers too, so they may wait to do any bashing until they know they have a bandwagon to fill. I know some local critics who did that for the last LOTR and SW episode 3 I thought it was quite funny how they didn't want to get hammered by the fanboys and girls.

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Nov 26 2012, 5:49pm

Post #40 of 40 (99 views)
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