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Nov 18 2012, 8:11pm

Post #26 of 48 (499 views)
Never said that [In reply to] Can't Post

There are just moments, particularly during his confrontation with Gandalf, and during his chat with Frodo in Rivendell, where PJ decided to go OTT with his Ring-inspired irritation, and his general emotionalism (Bilbo of the book never struck me as wearing his emotions on his sleeve). Not to mention the horrible "RARG!" moment in Rivendell, when he lunges for the Ring (not Holm's fault at all, of course...).

Otherwise, I loved Holm as Bilbo.

But I think I will like Freeman's interpretation more.


Nov 18 2012, 8:32pm

Post #27 of 48 (487 views)
Of course you will [In reply to] Can't Post

And so will the majority of people. Freeman and PJ have 3 entire films to explore the character. Holm had a couple of scenes!

Should more effort have been made then in LOTR, for Holm and PJ to get the character right? In my opinion, no. He's only a minor character in the grand scheme of the trilogy. And did an awesome job.


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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Nov 18 2012, 8:39pm)


Nov 18 2012, 10:22pm

Post #28 of 48 (447 views)
Never said what? [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't mean that YOU were suggesting that. I was just throwing that perspective out there.


Nov 18 2012, 10:25pm

Post #29 of 48 (451 views)
Slight confusion if you're reading in flat mode [In reply to] Can't Post

Shelob'sAppetite was replying back to my comment (re: OTT Bilbo), and not your post.


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Nov 18 2012, 10:28pm

Post #30 of 48 (435 views)
Oh, I apologize! [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry about that! :)


Nov 18 2012, 10:29pm

Post #31 of 48 (437 views)
No need to apologise :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

Threads with many sub-discussions can get confusing, especially when some read in threaded mode and others in flat.Wink

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Nov 18 2012, 10:45pm

Post #32 of 48 (422 views)
Amen to that Dan, I agree with you, [In reply to] Can't Post

its been nit picked to death. and I am tired of it. Mad

(This post was edited by Elenorflower on Nov 18 2012, 10:48pm)


Nov 18 2012, 11:07pm

Post #33 of 48 (443 views)
Obsequious Text Tittles [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
I have no idea what any of you mean by Ian Holm's performance was OTT. I must be missing something!

You donít? Really? Oh, that partís easy. According to the Internet, OTT means any and all of:
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Given the context, itís utterly clear that what weíre talking about here has got to be Old Testament Theology instead of On The job Training, as you were probably thinking. What could be easier?

Hope this helps! Isnít the Internet wonderful!?!?

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311

(This post was edited by Finrod on Nov 18 2012, 11:09pm)

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Nov 18 2012, 11:36pm

Post #34 of 48 (432 views)
That's when [In reply to] Can't Post

the 'In Reply To' button is really handy in flat mode, for checking which post a person is replying to.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Nov 18 2012, 11:50pm

Post #35 of 48 (403 views)
we really need [In reply to] Can't Post

a facepalm emoticon. Laugh


Nov 19 2012, 12:06am

Post #36 of 48 (415 views)
Clicked on your [In reply to] Can't Post

link and don't see a link to view the tv spot. SIGH.

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Nov 19 2012, 12:12am

Post #37 of 48 (405 views)
So you're saying it wasn't Order of Tamar Tigers? // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Nov 19 2012, 12:12am

Post #38 of 48 (427 views)
Hugs and kisses [In reply to] Can't Post

thanks. I have been going nuts trying to track down a link to the video. LOL


Nov 19 2012, 2:10am

Post #39 of 48 (366 views)
Have you seen the movie? [In reply to] Can't Post

How can you make that statement without seeing his full performance first?


"The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?
Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him."


Nov 19 2012, 2:11am

Post #40 of 48 (367 views)
he has seen the movie actually [In reply to] Can't Post

DanielLB is the time lord!


Nov 19 2012, 2:13am

Post #41 of 48 (368 views)
I was in camp Freeman from the beginning [In reply to] Can't Post

so I am perfectly biased when I say you are 100% correct ;)


"The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?
Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him."


Nov 19 2012, 3:11am

Post #42 of 48 (358 views)
I also find there's [In reply to] Can't Post

an emotional intensity to some of Ian Holm's scenes as Bilbo that I was really uncomfortable with. I had the same reaction to how he played Frodo is the 70's radio adaptation where he gets way too whiny a few times. Ian Holm is so wonderful most of the time as Bilbo and as Frodo that I'm happy to put up with what I find to be the OTT moments for the sake of the rest of his performance. But I also think I'm going to like Martin Freeman even better. In fact, I think I'm so totally falling in love with Martin Freeman's Bilbo that he's going to replace Frodo as my favorite charactar.

We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!


Nov 19 2012, 3:58am

Post #43 of 48 (369 views)
Sometimes though [In reply to] Can't Post

it appears that "in reply to" will take you to the last two posts at the bottom of the page even if it's actually the bottom post. At least that's the mistake I made. Maybe it has to do with the size of the screen as well.

Eowyn of Penns Woods

Nov 19 2012, 5:01am

Post #44 of 48 (345 views)
When I hover over the 'in reply to' before clicking on it [In reply to] Can't Post

there's a #number at the very end. That #number matches the one found by hovering over 'shortcut' under the name/avatar of the person and post being replied to. It's more work to match them up, but it could help.


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(This post was edited by Eowyn of Penns Woods on Nov 19 2012, 5:04am)


Nov 19 2012, 8:13am

Post #45 of 48 (331 views)
I actually meant ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Officially Trained Thief.

That's what Bilbo is, after all. Wink

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Nov 19 2012, 8:14am)


Nov 19 2012, 8:16am

Post #46 of 48 (321 views)
Just like how you say below [In reply to] Can't Post

That you're 100% in the Freeman camp. Wink

No-one here has seen the full performance, but it is perfectly acceptable to say:

1) I loved Holm, and I'm sure Freeman will do a good job.
2) I liked Holm, and I'm sure Freeman will do a better job.

I went for 1, you went for 2.


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Nov 19 2012, 8:18am

Post #47 of 48 (325 views)
Yup, that happens sometimes. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I'll go into threaded mode just to check who replied to who.

It happens when the scroller on the right can't go down anymore, so it looks like the reply is 2 up from the bottom.

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Nov 19 2012, 8:18am

Post #48 of 48 (565 views)
I'm good, but I'm not *that* good. ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post


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