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Jago M
Bree

Nov 17 2012, 7:21pm

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It's purely a theoretical calculation [In reply to] Can't Post

'cause there's no birthdate.
We know it's somewhere between the youngest + 50 some years and the oldest (132-178), that's actually all :-)
And for every other dwarf in the company this is true, exept for Thorin, who is the oldest.

Sorry for making you even more tired Wink


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 17 2012, 7:58pm

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I wonder if it won't be the Balin connection. [In reply to] Can't Post

Although I agree that it is very unlikely that the dwarves will each be reeling off their ages, if Ori is portrayed as the youngest of the group it may be something to do with the future expedition to Moria. Perhaps there was something pleasing in the portrayal of the eldest and the youngest of the group being linked to this episode.

LR


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 8:02pm

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Arwen's life is tied to the fate of the ring // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 8:08pm

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I did // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 8:08pm

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Ugh! Vomit. Definitely a royal in the court of "entirely superflous changes" [In reply to] Can't Post


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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 8:50pm

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Not only that [In reply to] Can't Post

Two of his few followers were Balin and Dwalin.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 8:55pm

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I don't think it works as well as literary version, if this is the case [In reply to] Can't Post

I really wanted to see the full history, with the creepiness of Thrain's going missing Mirkwood leading to his reappearance in Dol Guldur.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 17 2012, 11:06pm

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I suppose this explains [In reply to] Can't Post

why Ori refuses to eat his Greens. Wink


totoro
Lorien

Nov 18 2012, 3:09am

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They also changed the strongest (used to be Dori) nt [In reply to] Can't Post


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Yes, it certainly looks like they've changed the ages. Which, like most changes, doesn't make much sense.

There's no need for Ori to be the youngest. Then again, it probably won't even be stated in the films - this could just be additional information for the movie-universe.



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Nov 18 2012, 9:14am

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I think both scenes are very creepy and powerful in their own way, and I think both merit displaying. [In reply to] Can't Post

My gf and I were saying we could easily see the tale of Thrain's loss as an errie campfire tale as told by Balin (flashbacks included, of course, "We sought the mountain once before, when the dragon sickness and the desire for vengeance beyond hope took Thrain. We didn't have any Wizard supporting us on that adventure. Mayhap if we had things would have been different. We followed Thrain out of duty on a hopeless errand. But we never got near the mountain. Ill fortune plagued us on every step of the journey, and evil creatures seemed to track us at every turn. Wargs, fell birds and evil bats chased behind us across Wilderland. . ." Etc. The battle of Azanalbizar would be an entirely different scene and event. but The Balrog is almost essentially to it. Why else would they turn their backs on their most ancient and beloved fatherland? They had defeated the orcs, utterly routing the goblin armies. . . but The Balrog was a thing beyond their ken and reckoning, even aside from the magnificent foreshadowing aspect. In the right hands, such a scene could be made to work extremely well.

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I really wanted to see the full history, with the creepiness of Thrain's going missing Mirkwood leading to his reappearance in Dol Guldur.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 18 2012, 9:24am

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But it goes on to say that that Thorin's father Thrain "vanished in the dark halls of Khazad-dum,"


This fits with my theory that there is no visit by Gandalf to Dol Guldur prior to the unexpected party. He goes once only, in DoS.

Instead, he found Thrain in Moria, Gandalf's visit there being moved to just before The Hobbit.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Nov 18 2012, 10:12am

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The suggestion remains that Thrain was taken to Dol Guldur. [In reply to] Can't Post

Even in the books it says Gandalf searched for Thrain in Moria, but of course that is not where Thrain had been taken. But I suppose all speculation is moot and vain at this point, other than adjusting ourselves to undesirable changes. The film is less than a month away, and all will come out in the wash.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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