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Nov 13 2012, 6:08am

Post #51 of 63 (465 views)
Perhaps it's the color grading? [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a tendency these days to color grade everything within an inch of its life so that everything tends to feel a bit unnatural. Sometimes it's done well, but it looks like we're getting a more stylized color palette this time around. In the past decade lighting was generally more lifelike and natural. I'm not a fan of the "blue for nighttime" filter in general. It really baffles me because the art team explicitly says they didn't want to use blue filters/grading in the "Art Of" books for LOTR! Yet it happened all the time in TTT.


Nov 13 2012, 6:12am

Post #52 of 63 (459 views)
I agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

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First off, I think the new shot of the goblins grouped together looks great. Best image of them I've seen so far.

But the troll and the warg? They look like well done paintings, or something like that, but otherwise look pretty obviously fake. In this day and age of technology I'm surprised they aren't more realistically animated. Even though I disliked the design of the wargs in TTT, I still thought they were well animated and all but real looking (or totally real in some shots). That was over ten years ago. So far none of the shots of The Hobbit's wargs look convincing, in my opinion, even the new stills released a few days ago. They don't look like living, breathing creatures.

Please tell me why I'm being unfair. But that's my impression thus far.

I can't stand cgi. It seems to be getting worse!!


Nov 13 2012, 7:22am

Post #53 of 63 (458 views)
Wargs in TTT looked terrible [In reply to] Can't Post

sorry but even watching TTT 10 years ago I thought they looked awful, especially considering how great some of the other CGI effects were. I think the wargs in the recently released stills look much better and this is probably not even the finished footage yet.

The Shire

Nov 13 2012, 8:33am

Post #54 of 63 (410 views)
Archer Kili to save the day? [In reply to] Can't Post

With the wee footage of a warg attacking Dori in some forest ( maybe somewhere near Trollshaws ) and Kili firing an arrow with Bilbo's frightened face behind in very similar location, I think that those two shots come from the same scene and that it might be Kili, who saves Dori.

And talking about those CGI wargs and Trolls, I never really liked TTT wargs, but that might be wanted impression from them, yet somehow the pack seems even more terrifying and maybe better. And just take a look at that Troll's screencap on DarkJackal's excellent website. It looks much better and real than the Moria Troll. The new one just reminds me of my girlfriend's mother so much, that it must have been modeled after her picture from summer holiday.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
So, carefully! Carefully with the plates!


Nov 13 2012, 8:46am

Post #55 of 63 (387 views)
As always, thank you DarkJackal :-) / [In reply to] Can't Post


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The Shire

Nov 13 2012, 11:56am

Post #56 of 63 (361 views)
Orcrist not glowing? [In reply to] Can't Post

Seing what has to be Thorin fighting Goblins @ 0:13 It seems that Orcrist will not be glowing
in presence of Orcs and Goblins... I understand that Glamdring won't glow in the new movies
since it wasn't in the LOTR movies but I was hoping Orcrist would, particularly since they
made the design more similar (almost making it look related) to Sting than Glamdring. I guess
they want to keep Sting unique... Bummer.


Nov 13 2012, 2:37pm

Post #57 of 63 (310 views)
Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

Definitely not glowing and he couldn't be any closer to goblins than that. Maybe it's broken. Wink.

The Hobbit Photo Gallery

(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Nov 13 2012, 2:38pm)


Nov 13 2012, 2:44pm

Post #58 of 63 (311 views)
Utterly baffled by the CGI complaints [In reply to] Can't Post

I've worked with effects before and it's stunning how well-integrated into their environment the trolls are. Their level of detail and expressiveness is quite astonishing, as they move in reaction to the actors in a convincing way that I've seen from few other creatures of their kind. I'm sorry, but I simply cannot see, nor agree with, the "well-done painting" criticism...these trolls look incredibly lifelike.

WETA is one of the most accomplished digital effects artists in the world. All of these complaints about the CGI are really surprising me, because everything I've seen, from an effects artist's standpoint, look really, really good.

Tol Eressea

Nov 13 2012, 2:57pm

Post #59 of 63 (299 views)
Completely agree [In reply to] Can't Post

The CGI looks great. People shouldn't be so negative based on a couple of seconds of footage.

Tol Eressea

Nov 13 2012, 3:17pm

Post #60 of 63 (305 views)
Standards in effects are high these days but... [In reply to] Can't Post

... sometimes people go overboard with criticisms imho. While one can do pretty much anything nowadays effects wise, i still haven't seen one CGI heavy movie where you couldn't sometimes tell it's CGI, especially stuff like CGI creatures that resemble real animals / humans.


Nov 13 2012, 3:35pm

Post #61 of 63 (284 views)
I'm not trying to be negative [In reply to] Can't Post

Nor snobby, nor anything else. I want to love these films...and I'm sure I will.

Regarding CGI, I am simply consulting my eyes. I don't watch the trailers and tv spots looking for problems, I watch them with joy, but then there are moments when my eyes tell me, "Well that doesn't look quite right."

I'm talking about the things that jump out at me as painted, rather than as seamless flesh and blood.

I do think the CGI on the Goblins looks great in this TV spot. Gollum doesn't look half bad. I'm sure there's CGI going on through out that I would never notice...it's just the troll and the warg stand out as unreal. So says my eyes.

Enjoy the trailer for my fantasy novel:
We Kill Death

(This post was edited by Bagheera on Nov 13 2012, 3:38pm)


Nov 14 2012, 4:00am

Post #62 of 63 (259 views)
I have seen less realistic-looking humans... [In reply to] Can't Post

The only reason I can tell things are CGI is because I know they do not exist IRL. I have never had a hard time using my imagination anyway. I loved the old Sinbad, for example.


Nov 14 2012, 5:06am

Post #63 of 63 (272 views)
I've never had a tough time using my imagination either... [In reply to] Can't Post

So I can't say that's really the problem/solution.

Bottom line is, there are plenty of CGI things (like those darn Goblins I keep mentioning, for instance, which do not exist IRL) that look like real, living breathing creatures. Other CGI things have struck me as unreal.

Recap: Some CGI creatures in Hobbit footage --- looks real! :)
Some CGI creatures in Hobbit footage --- looks fake. :P

Enjoy the trailer for my fantasy novel:
We Kill Death

(This post was edited by Bagheera on Nov 14 2012, 5:07am)

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