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Blooper left in by mistake?

TheBladeGlowsBlue
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 12:30am

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Blooper left in by mistake? Can't Post

Maybe they thought we wouldn't notice...

Watching the ROTK recently I noticed a pretty big blooper during the battle of the Battle of Pelennor Fields - when the camera follows a chunk of rock from a catapult fired from Minas Tirith onto the orcs below - it would have to have been the size of a city block to take out so many ant-like orcs below!

And this from a director who prides himself on his clever use of perspective... Crazy

Did anyone else notice this, or any other bloopers that should have been edited out of the movies?


Flame of Udun
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 4:35am

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No..... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you are seriously misjudging how many orcs got killed

"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand. What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.''


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 26 2012, 5:23am

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No [In reply to] Can't Post

I was too busy cheering for the rock.

Squish, squish.


TheBladeGlowsBlue
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 6:11am

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i didn't mention... [In reply to] Can't Post

...how many orcs were slain, I merely pointed out the improbable size of the rock in relation to the orcs below it.

Especially in comparison to all the other rocks being used during the battle on both sides...


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 26 2012, 7:53am

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It was moving so fast [In reply to] Can't Post

That some of the rock disintegrated on it's way.

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Tigero
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 8:45am

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Our world's physics definently would not have allowed for such a small catapult [In reply to] Can't Post

to fire kilometers away, let alone how the men would have loaded the catapult with such a heavt thing... and even less for the orcs to fire their projectiles so high up into the city.

Pessimists have no disappointments.


TheBladeGlowsBlue
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 11:14am

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The thought occurs... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that PJ made a pretty good job (for the most part) of keeping an element of 'realness' to the films, but occasionally let the fantastic elements of the subject matter to run away from him.

The impossibly large chunk of rock is a good example I think.

But, as a fan (as we all are I presume) of the films, I can live with these few lapses. I do hope though that the Hobbit is relatively 'grounded' in comparison...time will tell! Smile


Noel Q. von Schneiffel
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 11:44am

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Gravity [In reply to] Can't Post

One must take into account that Middle-earth had considerably lower gravity than Earth has today. This was because it was hollow inside (as Gandalf and the Balrog found out during their fall). So yes, they could haul bigger projectiles farther with smaller catapults.

The core of Earth was only filled in 4,400 B.C., roughly 2,000 years after the events of LotR, when this central cavity collapsed. Earth then shrank to its present size and acquired a higher average density (and thus higher gravity). This naturally led to a rising of the sea levels - because the water of the oceans had less area to spread over - and thus to the sinking of the old continents Mu and Lemuria, but that is another story.

I also think that this is what led to the disappearance of the dinosaurs. They were simply too heavy for the new high-gravity environment.



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TheBladeGlowsBlue
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 12:07pm

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Now this... [In reply to] Can't Post


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One must take into account that Middle-earth had considerably lower gravity than Earth has today. This was because it was hollow inside (as Gandalf and the Balrog found out during their fall). So yes, they could haul bigger projectiles farther with smaller catapults.

The core of Earth was only filled in 4,400 B.C., roughly 2,000 years after the events of LotR, when this central cavity collapsed. Earth then shrank to its present size and acquired a higher average density (and thus higher gravity). This naturally led to a rising of the sea levels - because the water of the oceans had less area to spread over - and thus to the sinking of the old continents Mu and Lemuria, but that is another story.

I also think that this is what led to the disappearance of the dinosaurs. They were simply too heavy for the new high-gravity environment.


...is a near-perfect example of the willing suspension of disbelief!

Well done... EvilSmileAngelicShockedLaugh


Tigero
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 12:22pm

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Still, catapults work with the principle of balance and leverage [In reply to] Can't Post

The weight that is onthe shorter end of the catapult must still weigh many times the projectile, and the catapults definently looked too flimsy to fire so big chunks of rock.

Your last argument is very valid tho Sly

Pessimists have no disappointments.


Noel Q. von Schneiffel
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 12:56pm

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It may have had something to do with the weight of the projectile, too. [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps Minas Tirith was built entirely from pumice?



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grinman
Rivendell


Oct 26 2012, 1:54pm

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Pumice?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Pumice was terrible for creating a defensible city, but all the women of Minas Tirith were renowned for their amazingly callous-free feet.


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Perhaps Minas Tirith was built entirely from pumice?



TheBladeGlowsBlue
Rivendell


Oct 27 2012, 1:05am

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*Chuckles* [In reply to] Can't Post


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Pumice was terrible for creating a defensible city, but all the women of Minas Tirith were renowned for their amazingly callous-free feet.


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Perhaps Minas Tirith was built entirely from pumice?



I actually did a real LOL when I read that! Cool


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 28 2012, 9:07am

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Saw this today [In reply to] Can't Post

you are right it was heeeeuuuuge, not sure how PJ could logically reconcile this. It was much, much bigger than a house, your claim of city block size might not be far wrong.


TheBladeGlowsBlue
Rivendell


Oct 30 2012, 1:18pm

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A slight exaggeration maybe... [In reply to] Can't Post


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you are right it was heeeeuuuuge, not sure how PJ could logically reconcile this. It was much, much bigger than a house, your claim of city block size might not be far wrong.


But unfortunately it was yet another example of PJ playing fast and loose with his hardcore fanbase...

Most normal moviegoers would have not raised an eyebrow, but a lot of the fans of Tolkien's work would no doubt have winced (as did I).

Maegnas aen estar nin dagnir in yngyl im


Soundchaser
The Shire

Jun 4 2013, 8:23pm

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I thought [In reply to] Can't Post

the angle of the shot was awesome, and didn't consider anything else. Now, I could be wrong, but weren't they using trebuchets, not catapults? A trebuchet has much more range than a catapult. I'll pay closer attention at my next viewing.


Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 4 2013, 8:32pm

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Correct. [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's a homemade trebuchet throwing a car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9seapca1Vh0

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Brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
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