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dungolfin
The Shire
Oct 2 2012, 11:43am
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Meat's back on the menu boys...
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1. Probably the biggest concern about the orcs in Two Towers was how they evolve from faceless creatures to a full fledged society. Do you find their transition disconcerting, given how they were represented in Fellowship? Is this a convincing society, or is it over-brutalized?
I think that even in FOTR it was clear that orc society had structure and organisation. It was obvious from the sequences at Isengard that there are smiths and engineers as well as the fighting caste of Uruks. There's even middle management orcs that report progress to Saruman. The fact that Jackson unfortunately chose to show the Uruks being spawned probably confused things a bit. As for being over-brutalised, no I don't think it's beyond the realms of imagination to see a society, however loosely held together, that brutalises its population - any number of failed African states can testify to that.
2. As an addition to the prior question, the humans never seem to hear the orcs speak. Does this give the impression that only Hobbits can understand the creatures? Was this deliberate?
Well there's certainly more close contact between hobbit and orc in the films. There were opportunities from the book for Jackson to have human - orc dialogue but he didn't go for that. One passage that springs to mind is Aragorn addressing the troops of Saruman at Helms Deep, a nice bit of subtle character development for both sides, but instead he goes for the olympic torch bearer. Certainly Gimli has a brief discussion with an orc after the warg attack scene. I'd suggest that rather than not understanding each other, Jackson didn't see the need to have humans talking to orcs - perhaps given the dialogue they did choose to write we've got the lesser of two evils.
3. Look at the orcs around the ones in focus. How are orcs represented as a race and do you think the different breeds of orc here help establish a wide range of visual features that determine an orc or Uruk-hai? Does this assist their appearance in Return of the King?
I think the design of the orcs was fantastic. Slight variations in racial characteristics suggesting different roles and geography - brilliant.
4. I chose shots somewhat at movement so that we may observe the versatility of the make-up at work here. Does it look convincing? What are the orcish visual traits here and what would you do to improve them and bring them closer to your imagination?
These will do for me although I wasn't as keen on the design of the Uruks but on the whole fairly good.
5. Any additional thoughts about the orc episode is encouraged!
I always thought of the orcs as being portrayed through the eyes of the victor. Like the Romans or Bards did with their descriptions of defeated tribes, exaggerating their enemies cruelty, numbers, prowess or appearance to make their victories appear greater. So the orcs are almost caricatures from descriptions that might have been second, third or even fourth hand.
Bonus Question: Which orc here is voiced by Andy Serkis?
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SCOD: All Manners of Orc
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 26 2012, 10:08pm
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Let's see...
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Elutherian
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Sep 27 2012, 5:01am
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You're the only one who guessed on the bonus question
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 29 2012, 3:53am
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Interesting
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Loresilme
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Oct 1 2012, 5:04pm
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Love the blues in these scenes {NT}
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 27 2012, 5:59am
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The Hobbit contamination
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titanium_hobbit
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Sep 28 2012, 3:46am
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Interesting choice
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zarabia
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Sep 28 2012, 6:00am
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You crack me up, zarabia
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 28 2012, 4:40pm
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"Meat izz Back on the Menu ...Boys"
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Bombadil
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Sep 28 2012, 7:06pm
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Thanks, SA :D //
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zarabia
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Sep 29 2012, 1:21am
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"Find the Halfling!"
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Loresilme
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Sep 28 2012, 9:54pm
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I found that line horrifying too
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Ziggy Stardust
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Sep 29 2012, 12:55am
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I understand your point
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zarabia
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Sep 29 2012, 1:43am
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I have somewhat the opposite view
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Elenorflower
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Sep 30 2012, 3:00pm
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Yes, the Ringwraiths!
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zarabia
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Sep 29 2012, 1:32am
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I don't agree
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Sep 30 2012, 7:54pm
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I definately saw
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Elenorflower
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Sep 28 2012, 9:40pm
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Belated post ;)
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Xanaseb
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Oct 1 2012, 11:18am
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Meat's back on the menu boys...
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dungolfin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:43am
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