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Bilbo's garment in "Riddles in the Dark" scene
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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Sep 27 2012, 1:39am

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I believe Holm didn't want to play young Bilbo again [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember him saying something about the way they made him younger in FOTR really hurt, and he never wanted to do that again. or something similar to that effect. I'm fine with Martin Freeman playing Bilbo. I actually pictured him as Bilbo the first time i read the Hobbit after seeing the Hitchhikers guide movie. I think he'll be perfect and maybe they will replace they young Bilbo from FOTR with him someday on a deluxe Blue Ray collectors edition who knows Wink


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 2:00am

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As long as... [In reply to] Can't Post

They retain the green tint, which will help maintain continuity with the old deluxe extended blu-ray collectors edition.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Fàfnir
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 2:07am

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Young Ian Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

didn't even look like a bilbo, IMO

http://siyanor.com/photo/Ian-Holm71865.jpg


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 27 2012, 2:32am

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But he DID look like a cold, calculating android [In reply to] Can't Post

Shocked

King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.

Tim: Quite.


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 4:00am

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No, no... [In reply to] Can't Post


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I remember him saying something about the way they made him younger in FOTR really hurt, and he never wanted to do that again

He'd need never experience the slightest discomfort. They would simply dial the flux capacitor back to, say, 1977, explain the situation to young(er) Ian, shoot all requirred scenes with him against greenscreen (well, blue, at the time, probably), and then, safely back in the present, edit him into the master footage. Of course, as Arnold Schwarzenegger can explain far better than I, the film unit would be required to travel to the past naked and empty-handed, so they would not have spiffy REDs at their disposal. However, they could shoot everything on contemporary 70mm, seal the reels in hermetic mailers, schedule a Western Union delivery to New Zealand for 2012, and voila!—scan it with a modern Lasergraphics and you'd never even notice the difference.

Far more streamlined, IMO, than having to go through all those casting calls and worries over continuity issues. I'd even have been willing to lend them my burgundy blazer.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:11am

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Looks like Bilbo to me ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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jtarkey
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 9:37am

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It's looking more and more likely [In reply to] Can't Post

That they will replace Ian with Martin in new versions of FOTR. It really is the only scene that noticeably ruins continuity. Honestly, I really hope they do. Hopefully that's all they will change. It would help the 6 films blend so well together.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 9:47am

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But it's plainly clear that Bilbo is played by two actors [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd be really disappointed if in future releases they remove Holm. Frown

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jtarkey
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 9:53am

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But.. [In reply to] Can't Post

For some reason (and maybe this is just me) the fact that Ian Holm is in the Hobbit makes it work. If Ian is in The Hobbit as old bilbo, it only makes sense to have Martin in FOTR as young bilbo. Flows perfectly to me.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 27 2012, 10:00am

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I suppose so [In reply to] Can't Post

Frown

And it gives them an excuse to re-release the DVD's again ... $$$

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TheHutt
Gondor


Sep 27 2012, 10:27am

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I do hope not! [In reply to] Can't Post

Now I certainly hope that PJ will retain from pulling a Lucas™ here.

LOTR is and stays LOTR, and HOBBIT is HOBBIT - these are two different films. No need to mix footage from one into the other.

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Noria
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 1:32pm

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I agree about replacing Bilbo in FotR. [In reply to] Can't Post

I really hope PJ doesn't do that - I don't think it's necessary.

But then, I couldn't care less that Bilbo is dressed differently in FotR and AUJ. I probably won't even notice whrn I see AUJ unless I remember this thread.Wink


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Sep 27 2012, 1:46pm

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well... [In reply to] Can't Post

Given the fact that The Hobbit movies are being made as part of the Lord of the Rings collection, not as something else completely separately, with many of the same actors, and even a slightly darker beard of Gandalf to make him seem slightly younger than LOTR, yes, they need to mix footage from one into the other, or at least just with LOTR prologue.

The goal is to have all the six movies as one whole collection, and are being designed to be seen, ideally, by present and future generations in chronological order.

Yes, maybe one scene of Ian Holme is "sacrificed" in LOTR (contrary to Lucas, original LOTR cuts dvds and blu-rays are already there) but we'll get even more of him in The Hobbit movies.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"

(This post was edited by Oscarilbo on Sep 27 2012, 1:48pm)


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 30 2012, 1:58am

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They may not have been planning ahead... [In reply to] Can't Post

... But as sophisticated the wardrobe is for these films, I would have hoped that they could at least made a careful remodeling of the original costume. I was pondering this recently as I was watching FOTR, so I'm glad that the topic was brought up.

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 30 2012, 2:04am

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Also, red may have been chosen [In reply to] Can't Post

As a visual reminder that Bilbo is a fish out of water in this big, dangerous, green world.

A green coat would not make the same impression.

Continuity is far less important than using the visual language of film to convey meaning.

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