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Khaműl at Dol Guldur?
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DanielLB
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Sep 23 2012, 8:09pm

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One of many departures, Kangi. [In reply to] Can't Post

I forsee many more departures, some of which may be less accepted than a Wraith-like Thrain. Unsure


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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 23 2012, 8:11pm

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I think it was more [In reply to] Can't Post

that dwarves where simply too stubborn to become wraiths, although they where corrupted in other ways.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 23 2012, 9:23pm

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I think that the Thrain seen in the clip was not a Wraith. [In reply to] Can't Post

You can vote for departures and see them everywhere you wish. But I think that Dwarves would be unwraithable. This is why the Rings given to the Dwarves did not have that effect upon them. It is much more likely that Thorin has been driven mad by torture.

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Sep 23 2012, 9:30pm

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You did mean Thrain driven mad by torture right? [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink I think we knew what you meant but I have to say I agree. Plus at this stage hadn't the necromancer already taken Thrain's ring? Seems to me its either one of 2 things A...a reanimated corpse of Thrain in the present time, or B... a mad insane Thrain in 2850 when Gandalf gained the key and map. I'm hoping for option BSmile


GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell


Sep 23 2012, 10:03pm

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Wait. [In reply to] Can't Post

Khamul isn't a Tolkien name? Then where did it come from?

"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR


DanielLB
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Sep 23 2012, 10:12pm

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It is a name made by Tolkien [In reply to] Can't Post

But only appears in The Unfinished Tales.

PJ and co. do not have film rights to this book, and therefore, can't lift the name from the book.


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Milknut
Rohan


Sep 23 2012, 10:47pm

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Yup. [In reply to] Can't Post

And that's a shocking enough prospect on their own. I think 60 years is long enough for the nine riding out to be a surprise.

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Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 24 2012, 12:28am

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Not hardly [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think 60 years is long enough for the nine riding out to be a surprise.


Not on an Elf/Wizard time-scale. Barely last week.

Tolkien tells us that the Nine have not been seen since the fall of Minas Ithil in TA 2002, almost a thousand years before.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 24 2012, 1:43am

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I would find B. closest to the text in LotR Appendices. [In reply to] Can't Post

Therefore the most likely. All this stuff about a Wraith Thrain is just not acceptable.

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DanielLB
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Sep 24 2012, 9:27am

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A different appearance might also help? / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Mooseboy018
Gondor


Sep 24 2012, 5:34pm

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names/rights [In reply to] Can't Post

But didn't someone say that Radagast supposedly mentions Ungoliant when he meets up with Gandalf in the Trollshaws?

Was Ungoliant ever mentioned by name anywhere in the Lord of the Rings?


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 24 2012, 5:39pm

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Obliquely [In reply to] Can't Post


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But didn't someone say that Radagast supposedly mentions Ungoliant when he meets up with Gandalf in the Trollshaws?

Was Ungoliant ever mentioned by name anywhere in the Lord of the Rings?


"Shelob the Great, last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world." LR IV/9.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 24 2012, 6:44pm

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And obliquely equals legally [In reply to] Can't Post

So Peter Jackson is within his legal rights to use the name.

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