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Reactions to the trailer overwhelmingly positive on historically-critical Tolkien site
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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 24 2012, 8:56pm

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     ---> It's about time to wind this down (reposting for those using threaded mode) [In reply to]  

The discussion has started going around in circles. From the sticky at the top of the board:

3. Agree to Disagree. Part of respecting others' opinions is not always needing to have the last word. If the same point has been made three times by the same people in the same thread and no one is changing their minds, walk away. In all the history of these boards we have never seen anyone suddenly change their mind at this point in a conversation and there is no gain in continuing to try all the other members' patience with endless repetition. You cannot "win" on a matter of personal opinion and nearly all of our conversations are based on exactly that. If the debate is only between two people and both wish to continue it, take it to Private Message.


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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 24 2012, 9:05pm

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     Opinions [In reply to]  

"by making posts insinuating that your opinion is superior to others"

They may be. Or they may not be. Not all opinions are created equal except in the arena of feel-good PC where everyone is enabled to be right in the name of self esteem rather than truth. Most opinions and responses are so full of logical fallacies and game-play that it is beyond human ability to dig ourselves out of the morass. Some opinions are truly better than others.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 24 2012, 10:13pm

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     I largely agree with you about Boyens [In reply to]  

Philippa Boyens said,
''Faramir's character is completely static in the books, and thus wouldn't translate well filmically. We wanted to extend his character to give him more of a journey, and it would seem incongruous were Faramir immediately sea-green incorruptible; whereas all other Men in the film (even Aragorn) definitely have to wrestle with their conscience to a greater or lesser extent''.

They actually turned Faramir into a static character in the film. He just became a Boromir Lite.


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 24 2012, 10:34pm

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     Don't get me started [In reply to]  

I got into it over Boyens with darkstone last year, but I capitulated because I was beginning to feel wretched at continuing to tear into her. But errg, how she does tug at my last nerve.

Here's one of my faves, from a 2004 Entertainment Weekly:


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ON THREE-WAY WRITING "It's always been organic--just a natural fit--because the focus of the room right from the word go is always on the work. We are quite strongly opinionated, all three of us, but we've got respect for each other." HARDEST SCENE TO NAIL "The Council of Elrond [in Fellowship of the Ring] was a nightmare to get right. It's quite a boring thing, really. The information being given there, the audience pretty much already knows. It all had to [lead] to the point where Frodo stepped up to the mark--that was what was going to be most interesting about that scene dramatically. But we had to introduce four new characters and show the dynamics of the group and make sure the tension didn't fall out of the movie and...ooooh, my God!"


Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 24 2012, 11:11pm

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     I'll Be Lazy [In reply to]  

Too lazy to look it up.

So how did Tolkien handle it worse in the books?

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