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Sep 19 2012, 8:19am

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1. The process of finding every dwarf-in-a-barrel always seemed so long -- is this an attempt to draw out the tension a little?
I don't think so. I somehow never thought that at this point any dwarf would be lost.

Why does Tolkien take so long to describe them getting out of the barrels, while in the previous chapter he barely spends a paragraph getting them into barrels?
It took longer, of course. There was need to find them all, and some of them have passed out.

Is this a comment on how easy it is to get into trouble and not so easy to get out of it?
Oh, wouldn't Dreamdear have loved you! She was always into this kind of reading.

But I think it is no more than an accurate description, reflecting reality. Now reality iself might be a comment on how easy it is to get into trouble and not so easy to get out...

Or, is it just another opportunity to list off all the dwarves names and an excuse to leave most of them behind recuperating?
Yes; in fact, the last opportunity before Bilbo bids the dwarves farewell (minus the three casualities, making it the last full tally).

A more interesting question would have been the obverse - why was there no such list when the dwarves were packed into the barrels? I guess the answer is that Tolkien needed to convey a sense of urgency.

2. While I love the extension of the metaphor, why did Tolkien choose “dog” to represent kingly Thorin?

Beautiful! But perhaps it is more of a metaphor of the kennel, erm, barrel.

Does Thorin possess other dog-like qualities, or was this just a one-off?
As Jaggers says in Great Expectations:


Brag is a good dog, but Holdfast is better.

Is he regarded differently in other chapters?
Looking forward to The Clouds Burst - I don't see any dog letting a rabbit, or descendant of rats,go that easily.

3. In your mind’s eye (or perhaps mind’s ear!) how does this come across to you?
I have once speculated that Fili was locked up before in the Mirkwood apple-cellar.

As childish or youthful exaggeration?
Children would make good on this boast for some time. Probably not hours on end, though.

As grumpy or cross?
Well, he's smiling.

As sarcastic?
Not quite.

4. What do you make of this situation?
Must have been some good stuff.

Do they (or, “we”) so eagerly forget bad things?

Is this a comment on the resilience of hope and optimism, or are the guards responding to another, less savoury emotion (i.e., greed?)
At the moment, they are responding to excitement. I don't think ayone is calculating his own prospects as yet.

5. Do you feel this way?
Not really. It is like A Short Rest.

does this chapter feel a bit clunky, or, to further the above metaphor: like “a dog’s breakfast”?
The film, or the phrase?

But no, it doesn't seem clunky at all. On the other hand, Many Meetings...

Is a certain amount of clunkiness merely the nature of these transitions in storytelling?
As I disagree with the assumption, no.

6. Anything else you noticed and care to post about? Please do!
Fili made good on his boast - or at least carried on the theme of his hunger when he was told the Mayor is at feast.

"Has Bilbo's presence for the most part generally gone unnoticed at the feast, or are people simply being more polite to and celebratory of the dwarves, whose arrival is more expected?"

"Well, there’s thirteen rough and bearded short people, and one rather prissy and unbearded short person. The answer is obvious. Surely the people of Lake-town are knowledgeable enough to not ever dare bother a Dwarven female without leave."
- Laerasea / Darkstone

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