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USA's Public Broadcast Service to air Wagner's Ring Cycle this week!

elf_wannabee
Lorien

Sep 10 2012, 7:17pm

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USA's Public Broadcast Service to air Wagner's Ring Cycle this week! Can't Post

Check your local listings for times. They will be aired starting tomorrow September 11th with 'Das Rheingold' and will end the 14th with 'Goetterdaemerrung'! With 'Die Walkuere" on Wednesday and 'Siegfried' on Thursday. There will be a one hour special tonight on the preparations for filming this epic music drama series from Maestro Wagner. See the 'original' lord of the rings saga. This is part of PBS's Great Performances series. Enjoy! I know I surely will.


Patty
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Sep 10 2012, 7:24pm

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I take it this isn't the old one with Levine directing? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's been my favorite so far. I first saw it on PBS.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285990/

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elf_wannabee
Lorien

Sep 10 2012, 7:32pm

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Patty no it's the Met's new production by Robert Lapage. See link ---------> [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.pbs.org/...bout-the-opera/1312/


Patty
Immortal


Sep 10 2012, 7:41pm

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okay. Tomorrow at 9 here in Indy. I will be there. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Annael
Half-elven


Sep 11 2012, 3:18pm

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I watched the "making of" special last night [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been an opera-goer since I was 12 and have always been in awe of the sets and staging. Up until "Les Mis" you never saw that level of effort on stage with anything except opera. Lapage wants to set the bar even higher . . . and mostly succeeds, with a couple of glitches.

And the new Siegfried . . . hoo, baby! (fans self)

I'll be recording these.

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Patty
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Sep 12 2012, 4:17am

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I watched it... [In reply to] Can't Post

My impressions. Love the voices. Everyone was spot on, as was the music (how else, with Levine conducting?) I have to admit I didn't like the staging with those planks. It just didn't work for me as well as the old Levine production I mentioned above. And I preferred the former's use of an eye patch instead of the hair covering Woton's eye.

Moral to Woton: have you heard about affordable housing? The ones that you don't have to put your sister-in-law up to pay for.

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Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 12 2012, 1:32pm

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Loved the music, the set not so much. [In reply to] Can't Post

 I had to get up at five to go to work this morning, after staying up until midnight. But I woke up with that wonderful music running through my head :-) I'm looking forward to the rest of them.

I loved the music, of course, and the amazing lighting, and some of the costumes. The set, on the other hand, just made me nervous, waiting for the singers to be mangled. And what was with those ugly hats the rhinemaidens were wearing? When I watched the little behind-the-scenes video afterward, I could see that the women were very pretty. But those hats made them hideous. I want rhinemaidens to look like Arthur Rackham's illustrations :-)


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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Sep 13 2012, 6:28pm

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Oh, I'm such a pragmatist, and not a Wagner fan... [In reply to] Can't Post

I keep thinking that the whole sorry mess could've been avoided if the letch and the shrew had just gotten divorced when they should've.Evil

And how on Earth do you stage an opera with a Ring of Power at its center these days without drawing the inevitable comparisons? Or maybe that's a good comparison to draw, considering how much more capably Tolkien dealt with ancient Germanic/Anglo-Saxon themes than Wagner ever could have, given the ways in which his prejudices and life choices filter into his art.

On the plus side: Bryn Terfel. always. Even when his character (Wotan) is reprehensible and oddly stiff and he looks like Meatloaf (the eyepatch helped).
Jonas Kaufmann (Siegmund): even if his character's situation makes my skin crawl, his singing was superb.
Eva-Maria Westbroek (Sieglinde): same as for Kaufmann.
Stephanie Blythe (Fricka): good voice and appropriately manipulative, whiny and sadistic.
Eric Owen as Alberich is a real standout, even though I'm troubled by the (unintended, I hope) way his casting lends support to some of Wagner's less admirable beliefs.
And for a production as complex as an entire Ring cycle is, I thought the set was, overall, more effective than not, even if it errs more to the George Lucas end of the "let's use lots of tech!" spectrum than to the Peter Jackson end (tech serves story, not story serves tech, Lapage!).

Negatives for me: Overall, the acting has been a disappointment (with the exceptions I mention above). This is a bad story, with bad and good people doing bad things for stupid reasons; but if you're going to tell it anyway, it needs to be much more convincing to a contemporary audience.
Minor point here, but the men's costumes in Das Rheingold: skirts on the gods and codpieces on the 'bad guys' - really?!? gimme a break!

I'll keep watching (on the DVR!). And I'll probably listen to Anna Russell's Ring sketch this weekend to cap it off.Cool


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weaver
Half-elven

Sep 14 2012, 2:55am

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Oh you are in for a treat! Highly recommended! [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw the Live from the Met broadcast of the final opera in the cycle last year -- it was amazing! (and I don't even like opera!)

Hope you get/got to see them all!

Weaver



Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 15 2012, 2:29pm

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Thank you *so much* for posting this! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been wanting to see the Ring cycle for decades. As a kid I found the libretto in a very yummy library book with Arthur Rackham illustrations, and loved the story; it seemed so much like Tolkien. As a young woman I bought the album on vinyl. A few years later I finally found a copy on the internet of that yummy book. But I'd never seen a performance.

Don't know why they had to run it 9-midnight or one or two AM. We didn't have a way to record, so I stayed up and watched them, and then got up at 5 to go to work. If I'd recorded them, I probably wouldn't have had time to watch them without carving out time from sleeping anyway. It's been grueling but well worth it. I probably would have missed it if you hadn't posted, since I don't watch TV much and don't look at what's on. I really loved it.

So thank you again!


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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Sep 15 2012, 2:43pm

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Eric Owen was a standout for me too. [In reply to] Can't Post

And Jonas Kaufmann--well, you saw my EI thread. I thought his acting was great, as well as his singing and his looks. I cried when he was asking Brunhilde if Sieglinde would be there in Valhalla. And I thought the two of them (Siegmund and Sieglinde) had really great chemistry.

I liked Siegfried's acting too. He's always been such an unlikeable character, but this time he came across as just kind of dumb and almost sweet.


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Arandiel
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Sep 16 2012, 3:08am

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"Wait - this isn't a man!" [In reply to] Can't Post

Anna Russell described Siegfried as "a regular Li'l Abner". But what chance did he have, really? To quote Jeff Foxworthy, "if your family tree does not fork..."

I think he got the acting just right, too.

And I cried at that same moment with Siegmund - then I got a bit turned off, then I resented Wagner (not for the first time) for writing too many levels of relationship between Siegmund and Sieglinde. I just can't turn off that part of my brain and let the story take me along.


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Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 17 2012, 9:58am

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I find the many levels intriguing. [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe because it's a fairy tale, I find the incest more intriguing than disturbing. Do you also find it disturbing that Brunhilde is Siegfried's aunt?

On the other hand, maybe it does explain why Siegfried is such a dim bulb.

I was trying to remember in what other context I'd heard the phrase "My sister, my bride" and I finally remembered that it's in the Bible, in the Song of Songs, 4:9-4-10:

9 You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride;
you have stolen my heart
with one glance of your eyes,
with one jewel of your necklace.
10 How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride!
How much more pleasing is your love than wine,
and the fragrance of your perfume
more than any spice!


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Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 17 2012, 12:37pm

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When I say "I love the story", I don't really mean the plot. [In reply to] Can't Post

I really dislike the intrigue in the Twilight of the Gods, and a lot of the rest of the plot is a mess, as you say. What I love is the stuff: the dwarves and giants and gods and mermaids and the bird and the helm of invisiblity and the ring of doom. I came to the story first through the book, and I loved all the magical stuff. The Rhinegold is my favorite of the four for that reason.


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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Sep 17 2012, 3:04pm

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Makes sense to me!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Sep 17 2012, 3:07pm

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Oh, yes [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the way Anna Russell (again!) puts it when Siegfried meets Gutrune: "She is the first woman he's ever met - ever - who hasn't been his aunt!" Including his mom.

Really, what chance did the guy have?


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Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 17 2012, 5:49pm

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That made me laugh out loud. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Including his mom". It reminds me of a song my dad used to sing to us for a lullaby (he had some odd selections):

I'm My Own Grandpa

And there's this, from the Tom Lehrer song "Oedipus Rex":

Yes he loved his mother like no other.
His daughter was his sister and his son was his brother.
One thing on which you can depend is,
He sure knew who a boy's best friend is!


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(This post was edited by Aunt Dora Baggins on Sep 17 2012, 5:58pm)


Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 17 2012, 8:17pm

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I finally had time to listen to Anna Russell's hilarious performance. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks so much for the link! I laughed and laughed and laughed. I'll have to see if Uncle Baggins will watch it. He sat through most of the operas, and kept asking me what was going on.


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leleni at hotmail dot com
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Aunt Dora Baggins
Half-elven


Sep 17 2012, 8:31pm

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Then there's this 2.5-minute version [In reply to] Can't Post


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