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How I want the beginning of The Hobbit to unravel...

revecus
The Shire


Aug 31 2012, 11:13am

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How I want the beginning of The Hobbit to unravel... Can't Post

Well, for the past months I was brainstorming on how I personally want the beginning of The Hobbit to play out...

What if, we are presented with the world of creationism (the first part from The Silmarillion, Ainulindalė and Valaquenta) Just like in The Lord of the Rings, we would have sequences of short intercepting narratives of how Middle-Earth was created; and the races subsequently... specifically concentrating on the hobbits (having in mind that the trilogy is called The Hobbit) We would have glimpses of the Holy Ones, the first elves, the dwarves etc.

This would be maybe the initial set up for a possible future Silmarillion adaptation. This sort of pre-prologue would be narrated by Bilbo Baggins (because he is a hobbit and once again, the movie is called The Hobbit) disclosing Frodo of this myth of creation. He then goes on telling Frodo of the adventure at hand as the movie opens up completely.

Mind, this is not how I THINK the movie will begin, but how I would like for it to begin. Maybe it is too far fetched for Peter having in mind that he is not keen on seeing magic in its full form (thus there might be a challenge to present the creationism as real as it can be)

How do you want the beginning to (prologue) to play out? Should there be a link to The Silmarillion in some way?

Pippin: I didn't think it would end this way.
Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path... One that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass... And then you see it.
Pippin: What? Gandalf?... See what?
Gandalf: White shores... and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
Pippin: [smiling] Well, that isn't so bad.
Gandalf: [softly] No... No it isn't.

(This post was edited by revecus on Aug 31 2012, 11:14am)


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 31 2012, 11:18am

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Sounds similar to FotR's alternate opening // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


TariArFiniel
The Shire


Aug 31 2012, 11:32am

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The rights.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Peter Jackson doesn't have the rights for the Silmarillion, so he couldn't show the creating of the world or the awakening of the elves, dwarves, men..
But an good idea, even when it sounds similar to the opening from FOTR.


revecus
The Shire


Aug 31 2012, 11:42am

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Oh yes [In reply to] Can't Post

I know about the rights but I just wanted to make an "IF" scenario :)

Pippin: I didn't think it would end this way.
Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path... One that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass... And then you see it.
Pippin: What? Gandalf?... See what?
Gandalf: White shores... and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
Pippin: [smiling] Well, that isn't so bad.
Gandalf: [softly] No... No it isn't.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 31 2012, 11:57am

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Well, I was referring to the alternate prologue [In reply to] Can't Post

The storyboarded one on FotR's first Appendices disc. It mentions the awakening of each race and shows the dwarves in their mines, Sauron's Annatar form etc. It pretty much shows as much as it can without stealing from The Silmarillion.


(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Aug 31 2012, 11:57am)


TariArFiniel
The Shire


Aug 31 2012, 12:03pm

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Ah! You're right! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the alternate opening..If they use something from that in 'The Hobbit' it would be fine.


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Aug 31 2012, 12:12pm

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Nah [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it should start small and humble. Leave the "epic" stuff to emerge naturally from the story, when it's needed.

Nothing is further from "The Hobbit" than a load of biblical Silmarillion creation stuff, especially as the audience know all the major races now.

Also, book rights chris tolkien blah blah etc.

* crunch *


mandel
Rivendell


Aug 31 2012, 3:25pm

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Well, one of the things I like about... [In reply to] Can't Post

...the opening to FOTR is the transition from the dark and foreboding account of the ring's history to the light, idyllic scene of The Shire.

Some film firsters, I know, found this transition jarring - like they were thrown from an epic into a children's storybook. But I think PJ did this on purpose - in order to foreshadow the contrast between Frodo's home and the wide world into which he eventually has to venture.

Couldn't a parallel transition work for TH - from the epic historical narratives of the Silmarillion, to the humble, even insular world of Bilbo in The Shire?

I suspect that TH trilogy is going to have many structural parallels with the LOTR trilogy. This could have been one of them - again, if PJ had access to the Silmarillion in the first place!


adnan
Rivendell


Aug 31 2012, 8:13pm

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Totally agree... [In reply to] Can't Post

I also think the structure will be similar, and honestly, I have no problems with that. But I'm afraid that similar sturcture will be a crticism for many, especially those mercurial critics who will come out singing that P.J is the following the same old recipe to milk the audience...blah blah blah.

Rivendell


Lost Hobbit
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 1:48am

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Dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

I think if Peter had rights to film something from early days, the story of the dwarves could've been the centerpiece of the whole prologue. Their love for precious things could form part of it - like story of destroying Doriath. This would easily emphasize that meaning of treasure lying in Lonely mountain.


 
 

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