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Sauron and Unfinished Tales

sam90
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Aug 27 2012, 6:43pm


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Sauron and Unfinished Tales [In reply to] Can't Post

@Felagund

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'Not convinced Sauron consciously 'foresaw' the coming of the Istari. Apologies in advance if that's not what you meant. The text in Unfinished Tales is equivocal:

"In Eregion Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar, sent by them to Middle-earth ('thus anticipating the Istari')" [retold by Christopher Tolkien]

"When he [Sauron] came among the Noldor he adopted a specious form (a kind of simulated anticipation of the later Istari)" [CT's analysis / not a JRRT quote]'

Thanks for rectifying my words, I hadn't the book close-by when I wrote these messages and therefore tried to remember what whas said precisly in Unfinished Tales (thus the use of 'forsaw' and latter 'guessed'')

quote from Unfinished Tales:

'in Eregion Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar, sent by them to Middle-earth ('thus anticipating the Istari') or ordered by them to remain there to give aid to the Elves.'

I interprete this as that Sauron anticipated that the Valar would send messengers to Middle-earth someday, since the overthrow of Melkor (and so probably Maiar, but that is a personal view, since these spirits are for the most part into the service of the Valar) but for what exact purpose was not so clear to him. Was it to 'give aid' to the Elves or to reorder Middle-earth?

Not until the Thrid Age ( if he ever discovered the true origin of the Five Wizards) his anticipation was proved.


(This post was edited by sam90 on Aug 27 2012, 6:52pm)

Subject User Time
did Sauron know there were other Maiar in Middle-earth (and did he care)? Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Aug 20 2012, 10:47pm
    In my view Sauron knew about everything Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Aug 21 2012, 1:50am
    he knew alright PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Aug 21 2012, 10:49am
        Would the balrog have obeyed Sauron's orders? Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Aug 21 2012, 2:16pm
            Sauron and Balrogs - henchman pecking order Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Aug 21 2012, 3:00pm
    Based on a statement that I read and agreed with a while ago, Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Aug 21 2012, 5:40pm
        Aule, Sauron and Saruman Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Aug 21 2012, 8:15pm
            Thanks for the reply Noel! Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Aug 21 2012, 8:18pm
                Tolkien mistrusted technology, but trusted art squire Send a private message to squire Aug 22 2012, 1:10am
                    Perhaps he tried Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Aug 22 2012, 5:53pm
                    the lure of Melkor: Sauron, Saruman & Ossė Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Aug 22 2012, 7:08pm
                        Both aspects of Melkor's evil seem to boil down to ego squire Send a private message to squire Aug 22 2012, 7:48pm
    Sauron and the Maiar sam90 Send a private message to sam90 Aug 24 2012, 11:37pm
        Sauron and the Istari Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Aug 26 2012, 9:24am
            Sauron and Unfinished Tales sam90 Send a private message to sam90 Aug 27 2012, 6:43pm
    It is a matter of guesswork to discern how much Sauron really knew. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Aug 24 2012, 11:51pm
        Maiar sam90 Send a private message to sam90 Aug 25 2012, 5:53pm

 
 
 

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