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Aug 26 2012, 1:34pm

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for your late answers; and for blowing back when my questioning becomes too obsessive and even pointless!

I feel that there are conventions to story-telling that we all accept when we enjoy the story overall, but less so when we aren't enjoying the story as much. Yet why we enjoy a story or not may depend on many factors that are outside the writer's control, no matter how hard he or she works to draw us into the story-world. We in this discussion are Tolkien fans who've read The Lord of the Rings, most likely multiple times and most likely a lot more often than we read The Hobbit. We bring to our reading of this chapter unbreakable conceptions about Gollum, the Ring, Bilbo, fantasy, the role of child-like emotions compared to literary sophistication in appreciating Tolkien's legendarium, and a host of other pre-existing conditions.

Thus our disagreements here about which is more "likely" or "believable": Original-Gollum as evil but ultimately beneficent gift-giver (as comic as the trolls and the Great Goblin in the early chapters, or the Elves' banter and Smaug's glittering jibes in the middle chapters) or Revised-Gollum as evil and treacherous slave to the One Ring which is in search of its Master (as serious as the Elven King's imprisonment of the Dwarves in the middle chapters, or Bard's grimness and Thorin's rage at the loss of the Arkenstone in the later chapters). We do not and cannot say which is better storytelling, because there is no such thing as objectivity when reading a story that has two co-existing but more or less internally consistent versions!

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** The Hobbit, “Riddles in the Dark”** 5. – “My birthday-present! Curse it! How did we lose it, my precious?” squire Send a private message to squire Aug 14 2012, 3:46pm
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