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Yes, I am, but to be honest,

Plurmo
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Jul 17 2012, 5:35am


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the fascinating idea that Radagast could be a real active mole in Wizardom never crossed my mind, but it is a very interesting possibility and would make or a sophisticated subplot in The Hobbit should PJ dare do it. But my views about his actions would have been a bit different, considering the inevitable return of (at least) the ringless Sauron.

Sauron was a geothermal engineering genius, able to build the greatest ever iron structure and to smelt a virtually indestructible form of gold without burning a single tree. Besides, he was fond of sending quality volcano cinders here and there making Middle-earth an even more more fertile place (blessed Ithilien!) As for his orcs, they were well contented living in naked caves on uncooked food and producing a very small output of worked iron. His other allies lived in the desert lands on the far South where plants and animals were fewer.

Despite the propaganda ("made by the elves, you know") there's little evidence that Sauron was ecologically challenged. In fact Tolkien's message was clear when he linked environment-degrading industrialization to a particular mix of men-orc breed by Saruman. Sauron's victory would greatly reduce the availability of men and menorcs, making widespread industrialization less probable. So, overall I think Yavanna would settle for the old ringless Sauron against the ringed Elves configuration and make mincemeat of dwarves and men if she could. In that case Radagast would try to thwart the dwarven plan against the sleeping Smaug (although Yavanna would cherish the idea of having the inhabitants of Esgaroth roasted for the cheek of them having built a whole city off her trees) while at the same time helping make Sauron flee to the South and away from the Ring, supposing Radagast was aware of Saruman's knowledge about the probable fate of the Ring (moths being wide available and useful at that time). And if he knew something about Saruman's experiments in crossbreeding he would be all too willing to devise a strategy for Saruman to be wiped out of the face of Middle-earth (in another hit scored by Yavanna against poor Aulė). What best way to do that than make Saruman fall away from Gandalf and Sauron?

On a sidenote, the rabid ranting Elrond of movie fame was especially yavannish in his distaste for men and dwarves ("it was in the blood!" would shout third great-grandmother Melian from the Yavanna Clan) and his reluctance in reforging Narsil quite aligned with the yavannian conspiracy. Perhaps PJ is indeed a visionary, in more than one sense.

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What about Radagast and other Wizards? sam90 Send a private message to sam90 Jul 13 2012, 10:55pm
    We know nothing of what happened to Radagast at the end of the Third Age DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 13 2012, 10:59pm
        Indeed sam90 Send a private message to sam90 Jul 13 2012, 11:04pm
            Speculating... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 13 2012, 11:14pm
                Letter 156 may be worth a read DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 13 2012, 11:25pm
    Well, the wizards don't really need the boat. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2012, 12:57pm
        What did Radagast do or say to allow us to conclude he failed or lost interest in his mission? squire Send a private message to squire Jul 14 2012, 1:38pm
            As above, Tolkien suggests in Letter 156 that Gandalf alone was (fully) successful in his mission DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 14 2012, 2:24pm
            It's not so much what he did as what he didn't do. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2012, 3:06pm
            Radagast Failure. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jul 15 2012, 10:52pm
                I know what you mean squire Send a private message to squire Jul 16 2012, 12:27am
                    You're on the right track as usual, Squire. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jul 16 2012, 11:31pm
                        Are you a Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales reader? squire Send a private message to squire Jul 17 2012, 12:47am
                            Yes, I am, but to be honest, Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jul 17 2012, 5:35am
    Although we can speculate.. Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jul 14 2012, 4:40pm
        It seems clear then sam90 Send a private message to sam90 Jul 14 2012, 6:19pm
            The passage can be found in Unfinished Tales Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jul 14 2012, 6:29pm

 
 
 

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