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The Apprentice: Grima Wormtongue v. Gollum

Ruxendil_Thoorg
Grey Havens

Apr 12 2012, 7:34pm

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Premise:

You are hiring a spy/saboteur/secret agent to undermine and weaken an enemy from within.

The two candidates for the job are Grima son of Galmod, and Gollum a/k/a Smeagol (as they are during LoTR, in the books or in any adaptation).

Which one gets the job, and what are your reasons?

Which one gets more of your sympathy and what are your reasons?

A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 12 2012, 7:41pm

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I would hire Grima, and kick out Gollum.

My reasons:

1) I simply don't think a frog would make a good spy:
http://www.google.co.uk/...mp;tx=108&ty=100

2) Gollum would get far too destracted - he would want to go off an find the Ring, rather than be a saboteur (maybe it was Gollum that put a hole in Drogo's boat?!?!)

3) Grima is a snake through and through - he was a liar and a manipulator. He has all the qualities be a secret agent (unless of course, Gandalf turns up).


sevilodorf
Gondor


Apr 14 2012, 3:28am

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He obviously had everyone fooled for a long time therefore he brings experience to the job.

However, he did turn into a backstabber so he will have to be watched quite carefully.

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Ruxendil_Thoorg
Grey Havens

Apr 14 2012, 5:48pm

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As sevildorf said above, grima's a backstabber. Dealbreaker?

Gollum not much better though. His only motivation is the preciousss, or raw fish. Maybe he can be made a reliable spy with the promise of lots of sushi?

Other than that, Grima seems the likeliest choice.

A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 14 2012, 6:53pm

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Unless you asked Gollum to spy on some fish. Then he would be good! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Grey Havens

Apr 14 2012, 9:21pm

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Gollum's fish surveillance progress report log [In reply to] Can't Post

Day 1 juicy sweeeet!

Day 2 raw and wriggling!

Day 3 it ruins it!!! Keep your nassty chipsss!

etc.

maybe Gollum wouldn't be the ideal spy, but he was at least a decent saboteur. Look how he nearly derailed the Ring quest with the help of Shelob. In the movie he was even more devilish, succeeding in getting Sam fired.

A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 15 2012, 7:47am

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It depends what task he would be given.

If it involved getting back the Ring, then he would probably do a pretty good job (but ultimately fail).
He's not very good at spying (i.e. Lothlorien and Emyn Muil)
If it involved fish he would just eat them rather than watch them.
I wonder what Gollum would do with a shotgun?


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Grey Havens

Apr 15 2012, 3:40pm

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Gollum, tired of "spying" for fish: "It's comin' right for us!" (BLAM! SPLOOSH!) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.

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AncalagontheBlack
Rohan

Jan 7 2014, 5:04pm

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