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'What Say You'? ~ The Hobbit Movie Reports Rumours & Rumblings ~ 20/8/07 - MGM/New Line/UA finance

Elven
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Aug 20 2007, 9:42am

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Smile Firstly let me explain ...
The 'What Say You?' ~ The Hobbit Movie Reports Rumours & Rumblings ~ Date ~ Topic .... threads I have started for a very selfish reason -
so I can find them in some form of order .... and I can see the progress (date) and what its about from the topic.
I know there posts in other sections about the same subject at times as well - (which is great) ... but it might seems like Im double posting ...
so I wanted to explain ...thats not my intent ... I think it would be easier to categorize and find any news now that there are further reports rumours
and rumblings about the Hobbit Movie ...
and the links are easier to access to reports and pictures ... and searches might not be as hair tearing Wink (for me)

I wont always be able to keep up with them - so maybe if theres a new rumour or report - anyone who has news can use the heading - join in!
So please dont throw tomatoes at me - marshmallows yes, Wink but I hope everyone finds this useful if we need to track back at any time.

Elven x

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I found this article from the 27th of Feb 07 - in which Shaye outlines the MGM financial projections relating to UA.

What has evolved (been reported) over the past week is on track with what he mentioned back then.

here is the article ....

reported by Svea Herbst-Bayliss / Reuters / 27th Feb 07

http://www.reuters.com/...Number=2&sp=true


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BOSTON (Reuters) - Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc. is raising hundreds of millions of dollars to produce sequels to some
of its most popular films, such as The Terminator and The Pink Panther, at a time Wall Street investors are eager to pay
for movie making in Hollywood, the company's chairman said.

"We are putting together a fund to finance our franchise movies -- James Bond, The Pink Panther,
The Terminator and The Hobbit," MGM Chairman Harry Sloan told reporters, explaining the financing may
be raised in more than one single fund.

The $60 million to $150 million it will take to make each of these movies "is a big enough number to merit bringing in
outside investors and outside financing," Sloan said after a luncheon at the Boston College Executives Club.

The independent, privately-held motion picture, television home video and theatrical production and distribution company
that counts Gone with Wind among its classic hits and has won more than a dozen Best Picture awards, is also in the throes
of negotiating a financing deal for its United Artists unit and may look to arrange similar deals for other units, Sloan said.

The long moribund United Artists studio is being revived by actor Tom Cruise and his production partner, Paula Wagner, who own
roughly 35 percent, of the 88-year old studio by four of Hollywood's biggest stars.
"I've always said that United Artists needs to have its own funding and stand on its own and have its own credit line. And that
continues to be our goal," Sloan said, declining to give a time frame for when the new financing, will come through.
"The announcement will come out when it comes out."

In the meantime MGM, largely owned by Providence Equity Partners, will pay for the slate of UA movies, Sloan said.
"We are financing "Lions for Lambs" a movie starring Cruise, Robert Redford and Meryl Streep that is already filming, Sloan said.
Cruise, Sloan said, has agreed to defer his fees up front fees for the movie.
Looking ahead Sloan said it is possible for other of MGM's units to possibly stand alone at some point just like UA.
"MGM is a conglomeration of a number of brands like Orion and AIP and, while they are not as close (to standing alone) as UA,
they are good subjects for talking about," he added.

Sloan said the time to raise money for independently made movies is right and that nearly every Wall Street investment
bank is raising a fund to finance the industry and satisfy the public's voracious demand for new content.
"Given the demand for new content and that so much money is available to fund it, we will continue to create and arrange
funding for independent entities,"
Sloan said. "The strategies for MGM to be mainly a distributor for independently made movies is our strategy."


Almost 6 months to the day, the announcement this week that $500 million had been raised, keeps The Hobbit Movie alive.

Some movie names have left Sloans list, but The Hobbit remains.

But then I found this article interesting as well ...

Reported 4 weeks prior to the one above .. I was interested in the Film list order ... so far we're up to The Golden Compass to

be released next (correct me if Im wrong) ... but not much talk still of The Hobbit for New Line here ... but lots of talk of money and finance ...

and a familiar financing and partnership name ...

New Line, Royal Bank of Scotland ink $350 million deal

Wednesday January 31st 2007.

Some extracts from the article:

The full article written by Nicole Sperling (Hollywood reporter) - Reuters report - can be found here:

http://www.reuters.com/...Number=2&sp=true


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LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - The flurry of activity between Hollywood and Wall Street shows no sign of abating.
New Line Cinema is the latest to get into the game with the announcement Wednesday of a $350 million film financing
arrangement with the Royal Bank of Scotland -- a longtime banking partner of the Time Warner subsidiary.

The arrangement will provide co-financing that is expected to last about two years and cover roughly 20 films.
Some of the movies involved include 2007's "Hairspray," "Rush Hour 3" and "The Golden Compass" and
2008 titles "Inkheart" (starring Brendan Fraser and Helen Mirren), "Ghosts of Girlfriends Past" (starring Matthew McConaughey)
and "Semi-Pro" (starring Will Ferrell).

"When we decided to enter into the financial arrangement, we knew we wanted to benefit, but we want our financing partner to benefit also.
If either one of you pick and choose, on one side or another, you will pick the wrong film."

Dollar amounts for each film won't be disclosed; instead, the deal will see RBS contribute an agreed-upon percentage to each film.
"This is very important financing with a solid partner," Lynne said. "We're flattered that they wanted to do a deal with us.
It's an exciting opportunity for us to do additional work on additional films and to target some more tentpole films."

Lynne declined comment on "The Hobbit," the "Lord of the Rings" prequel that has spurred a vitriolic public battle
between New Line and "Rings" director Peter Jackson.

"The ability to work with New Line Cinema on this exciting transaction is a fantastic opportunity for the Royal Bank of Scotland and
underlines our commitment to New Line as filmmakers of the highest caliber," said Alex Brown, managing director and head of Structured
Asset Finance, Media & Entertainment at RBS.
On Tuesday, entertainment finance company Relativity Media announced it has structured a large-scale financing facility with Citigroup
in the $1 billion range to co-finance as many as 90 films with two studios during the next five years.
Other recent deals include Paramount Pictures' slate agreement with Merrill Lynch and hedge fund vehicle Legendary Pictures' five-picture,
five-year deal with Warner Bros.


So from this I see New Line not mentioning the Hobbit

But I do see UA MGM ....

Paramount and Merrill Lynch and hedge funds ...

I posted this article ...


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Tom Cruise (UA/MGM) raises 500mill$ for 15-18 films over next 5 years
The article is here ... and is 2 page ... http://www.reuters.com/...dUSN1637815220070816
Written by By Bob Tourtellotte


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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - United Artists, the film company run by actor Tom Cruise and Chief Executive Paula Wagner, said on Thursday it raised $500 million through Merrill Lynch to fund 15 to 18 movies over t he next five years.

Wagner called the financing "a milestone event" for United Artists, which was revived last year by Cruise,
Wagner and their studio partner, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc.
"It leaves us perfectly poised to realize our vision of making movies that are both important and commercial,"
Wagner said in a statement. Financial details were not disclosed.

... But last year, Cruise's long-time studio partner Paramount Pictures cut its ties to Cruise and Wagner
following the release of "Mission: Impossible III" -- an international hit with $264 million at overseas box offices, but only a modest success with $134 million in U.S. and Canadian ticket sales.

Cruise and Wagner went to Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer where they partnered with the studio behind the James Bond
movies to revive United Artists.

Separately, a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer spokesman refuted a published report that Goldman Sachs and
Deutsche Bank had withdrawn from underwriting $1 billion in financing for MGM.
MGM's Jeff Pryor said the studio never had a firm deal with Goldman Sachs or Deutsche Bank, so there was never
a commitment from which to withdraw. Continued...



and for the last report Wink


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Sloans comments mentioning the Hobbit (ToRN homepage article)

Following the article on the ToRN Homepage: MGM, UA face Manic Money Day (headsup by Xoanon)
Sloan has actually included the word 'Hobbit' in relation to the funding news

From the Variety Article
http://www.variety.com/...tegoryid=13&cs=1



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However, MGM CEO Harry Sloan said Goldman Sachs' move -- or any delay in the franchise fund -- would not impact the movies it has in the works, including "The Hobbit," a co-production with New Line, or the next installment with the Bond franchise, which it is cofinancing with Sony.
"No MGM property will wait for a film (finance) slate," Sloan said.

Of course, MGM's future possible tentpoles have issues of their own. "The Hobbit" has been locked in a battle
between Peter Jackson and New Line, while legal wranglings have been holding up "Terminator 4."

Sloan said that the Lion was waiting until the UA deal closed before moving forward on the MGM franchise film fund, which he
says the company will offer at a later date.


So Crazy

'What Say You?' .....

Do you see any insights here about The Hobbit Movie?

Do you think New Line still has a hope with the Hobbit - or UA - or MGM?

$500 mill is not really that much money for 15-18 films ...

If you have in your achives any more info or comments about these, can you post them in the thread too Smile

Elven x




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Darkstone
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Aug 20 2007, 5:20pm

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It is precisely this type of thing which sunk Jackson's 1995 version of The Hobbit. UA/MGM and Miramax could never agreee on who would put up how much of the financing, so Miramax decided to go it alone with LOTR.

Note that with a final deal on financing a film project is legally considered "greenlighted". Being "greenlit" brings the clock ticking on expiring film rights to a halt.

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Rabittooth
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Aug 20 2007, 6:50pm

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Does that mean all New Line has to do is say they intend to do the movie and that the financing is there, and the rights do not revert back to Zaentz until the movie is done?
Seems unfair actually.
You'd think they'd at least have to be in preproduction in order to retain the rights.
Unimpressed
That's really disappointing if that's true.
I'd always hoped the ol' hourglass would run out and Zaentz could hand over the project to PJ (which I think he'd happily do).
Unsure

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Darkstone
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Aug 20 2007, 7:23pm

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Remember virtually all films are made with borrowed money. So yes, to retain the rights they need to have the cash in the bank. But once the money is borrowed the interest charges begin building up. They could get financing, be greenlit, suffer delays, and in the end owe far more money that the film could ever make. That's why many Hollywood studios go bankrupt. Once New Line gets the "green light" for The Hobbit they're going to film it as quickly as they can. To do otherwise is corporate suicide.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



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Elven
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Aug 20 2007, 7:32pm

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Darkstone: Note that with a final deal on financing a film project is legally considered "greenlighted". Being "greenlit" brings the clock ticking on expiring film rights to a halt.



UA could finance it? ...

So, the Hobbit needs to be Greenlighted for the rights to stay where they are?
If thats the case, does the movie have to be in production and finished by the time the rights expire?

So I learnt a new word today ... greenlight
So can someone explain 'tentpole' Crazy

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SILVERCHAIRS Daniel Johns gets the crowd going at the 'Big Day Out Festival' at Minas Tirith before Denethors famous stage dive.


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Darkstone
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Aug 20 2007, 7:45pm

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UA could finance it? ...

Yes. UA could provide 100% of the money to New Line and then NL could film it.


So, the Hobbit needs to be Greenlighted for the rights to stay where they are?

Yes.


If thats the case, does the movie have to be in production and finished by the time the rights expire?

Usually they only need to have the financing contracts signed and the money in the bank to freeze the countdown on the rights. But remember that money is almost always borrowed and the interest will eat them alive if they delay production.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Sunflower
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Aug 20 2007, 7:54pm

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1) NL sure burned through 3 billion+ (not counting the ancillary revenue, DVD's etc) of LOTR trilogy pretty quickly. They're not Warner's, they don'[t make 10 tentpoles a yr! HOW did they waste all that money, or how could they? They're a smaller studio with a smaller slate. And yes, I know a tentpole film can cost an average of $250 mil to make and market.

2) What is "creative accounting" and how long has it been in use?

3) What was the "old model" of financing Hollywood and when did they switich to the new model--and why hedge funds? Don't they see what is happening to the music biz--it is dying? I don't think Hollywood is that bad yet but one day they'll run out of franchise ideas. Hollywood and the music biz both have the same Wall- Street driven disease--the desire for instant profit to keep stock price high. Never mind about long-term investment and nurturing talent to bring in possible long-term returns. (Think U2....one brilliant debut album, one colassal sophomore flop, and after that, 6 more years and 3 more albums before you get the 25 yr+ return on investment--that continues to this day.)

In the old days, the last time Hollywood went through a structural crisis, the late 60's, the studio suits looked for what the public wanted and turned to the Film schools, and we got Spielberg, Lucas, Coppola, etc. They looked for whatever the public seemed to want to see and invested in it. Nowadays they just make what they think the public wants and trust that a massive marketing budget will lead the sheep to the trough. This model has worked pretty well so far but cracks are appearing in the armor. You can only run so much of the biz on the AICN fanboys. (I'd say we were different, becuase as an audince our collective tastes are much more sopisticated....I'll bet a lot of us were the first in line for "Pan's Labyrinth" or "Children of Men" when they came out.....

One day the "short-term profit" model is going to backfire and the studios will be in a panic. Then the Bronfmans' whisky company owners will pull out, etc (who cares about Hollywood? For them it's just a notch on the sheet among many owned industries, pulling out won't endanger them--this is the diff between ownership now and in the past) . Then we'll all be screwed.


Elven
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Aug 20 2007, 8:33pm

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Though, I also had the impression that some of the financial arangements from money lenders, or sources of finance, were
more of an investment, not a borrowing as such - almost like a share in the profits from the movie ... I dont see that as being unusual,
but, in the sense of a loan and interest ........ financial backing is not always a loan with interest rates ... but sometimes
a guarenteed base return and a share in the profits with some other financial arrangements.

It was something which was mentioned in one of the articles - (I cant access it right now - might have been the Bank of Scotland article) which, as I read it, said that 'we gain - you gain' investment (not loan) strategy, "everyone's a winner' ...

Just some thoughts ...

Elven x


SILVERCHAIRS Daniel Johns gets the crowd going at the 'Big Day Out Festival' at Minas Tirith before Denethors famous stage dive.


Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"


Darkstone
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Aug 20 2007, 8:43pm

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1) NL sure burned through 3 billion+ (not counting the ancillary revenue, DVD's etc) of LOTR trilogy pretty quickly. They're not Warner's, they don'[t make 10 tentpoles a yr! HOW did they waste all that money, or how could they? They're a smaller studio with a smaller slate. And yes, I know a tentpole film can cost an average of $250 mil to make and market.

A lot of the money went to German financiers. Most of the rest went to foreign distributors. Before FOTR was released everyone in Hollywood was nervous that the movies would flop and that New Line would go bankrupt. To hedge his bets Shaye sold about 90% of future profits to foreign distributors. So of the initial $200 million it cost to make the movies New Line would only owe a managable $20 million if the trilogy flopped. Unfortunately the same went for the profits.


2) What is "creative accounting"…

http://]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting


…and how long has it been in use?

Since about the 1960s with the death of the Hollywood system. Stars and directors were no longer kept under long term contract. Now they were usually hired on a per film basis. And instead of a huge salary studios began offering stars a percentage of the profits. And you’d be surprised how many top grossing films never seemed to ever show a profit. (Or would you?)


3) What was the "old model" of financing Hollywood and when did they switich to the new model--and why hedge funds?

Hollywood was forced to by the Federal Trade Commission. Pre-1950 a studio would make movies and then show them in their own chain of theaters. In the early 1950s the US Supreme Court decided that was a monopoly. The studios had to sell their theater chains. It was a big financial blow. The advent of television didn’t help either.


Don't they see what is happening to the music biz--it is dying?

Well, it took the studios a whole decade (between 1950 and 1960) for it to finally sink in that the old system wasn’t working anymore. A lot of studios went bankrupt. I expect the same to happen next time.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Darkstone
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Though, I also had the impression that some of the financial arangements from money lenders, or sources of finance, were more of an investment, not a borrowing as such - almost like a share in the profits from the movie ... I dont see that as being unusual, but, in the sense of a loan and interest ........ financial backing is not always a loan with interest rates ... but sometimes a guarenteed base return and a share in the profits with some other financial arrangements.

Yes, there are quite a few different ways to "package" a film. (You'll notice a few qualifiers in my answer like "usually" and "almost always"). But with most investments there will be substantial penalties for delay. (A lot of those investors might have themselves borrowed the money.) And all too often investors may get nervous and cut their losses and withdraw funding, leaving the filmmaker with an unfinished project. Anyway, Hollywood isn't exactly the best investment. The average return is along the lines of 1.3 percent.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



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Aug 20 2007, 9:23pm

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The well, well, well... that is.

NL seems to be suicidal lately on their choices and short-sighted dealing where Jackson, The Hobbit and its sequel are concerned. It still boggles the mind that they'd be hesitating at all given the success of LotR. I get the feeling there's a lot of activity going on behind the scenes. Time will tell :)


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Darkstone
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



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Many of the studios today are owned by public companies [In reply to] Can't Post

and they are treated the same way as the other businesses these companies own, which are geared toward quarterly earnings and managing Wall Street expectations toward those earnings.

That's a big change for the movie industry, which is a highly risky, highly creative business, and as a result most of the creativity is being suppressed. Movies are becoming more and more derivative (Notting Hill meets Independence Day), and directors have to sell their ideas based on how they compare to past successes. That's a big reason why this summer is the "summer of sequels". Sequels to successful movies are perceived to be a safer investment than a wholly new idea.

If you look back at the MGM article - the funding they're looking for is for a new James Bond movie and The Hobbit, among others - both reliably profitable franchise movies.

Another factor that's limiting creativity is the amount of money involved. Studios can't possibly raise the money they need from internal sources, so they go to outsiders for financing. Goldman Sachs isn't going to lend $500 million or $1 billion without some assurance they will return or profit or even get their money back. So the studios have to give them some kind of assurance that the money will be used to make a profit. The easiest way to do that is to put the money toward a movie that is likely to be a hit - again, a sequel or a subsequent installment of a movie franchise. Another way is to hire people with a profitable track record - Tom Cruise has always been involved in profitable movies, so he's part of the assurance that United Artists is offering to Goldman Sachs. While some people might not consider Tom Cruise movies to be good movies, the lenders and the studios don't care about quality - they care about box office and DVD rentals.

In the early days when movies cost less than $5 million to make, the studios could use the profits from previous movies to finance new ones and did not have to borrow money from third parties. That never happens anymore, as Darkstone explained. The profits from Fellowship were already committed to outsiders before it opened. New Line mitigated their downside risk on Fellowship, but at the same time they capped their upside return.

Studios used to be owned by people who knew the industry and welcomed the creativity aspect of making movies. Current ownership is all about the bottom line, and if creativity has to suffer, that's a loss they're willing to accept if the result is more profits.

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Darkstone
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Aug 22 2007, 5:16pm

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The only thing I'll add is that due to weird tax laws in Germany losing a bunch of money on a film can actually be profitable. That's why a lot of really bad movies that weren't really expected to do well were financed by German lenders. Bloodrayne, for example. And, ironically, LOTR.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Sunflower
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Aug 23 2007, 8:00am

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Thanks Darkstone, all that was helpful. And Entmaiden, that's what I was trying to say.....the biz is notrun anymore by people who love movies. For them it's like motorcycles or fast food or dishwashing liquid. Whatever brand brings the fat Christmas bonus. And when they finally discover that films 9and music) are not like "product", they'll pull out, and like I said, we'll all be screwed.

I try to be an optimist though. Unlike the music industry, the indies are vibrant and producing great talent.....all hail Hayao Miazaki,Picturehouse, and the New Mexican Cinema! Ole!Wink We' in America are in the Dark Ages right now but all is not lost!


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I long for the day.. [In reply to] Can't Post

that I come onto TORN in the morning and see the simple instructions:

"Go to LordoftheRings official site."

and there will be this announcement:

"Due to popular demand, Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" will be released in December, 2009, in the space where the link for "The Golden Compass" is now.

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