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More Faramir and Frodo

jrpipik
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Apr 7 2011, 10:46am


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Letting Frodo keep the Ring on the road back to Minas Tirith is too big a risk for someone as smart as Faramir should be to take. He's an experienced commander and knows that in war all kinds of things can go wrong. The only safe place for it to be would be right in his own pocket (with contingency plans amond his officers about what to do with it if something happens to him). Frodo could cause all kinds of trouble with it -- and he does, trying to give it to the enemy at the first opportunity. Not too bright.

So why is the supposedly smart and well-trained captain acting so foolishly? Now it's because he's conflicted. In the scene in question you're reading something different in his eyes than I am. All I see is a little boy elated at a chance to get daddy's approval, a child's motivation. Not bad motivation for a movie character, but not Faramir, who is supposed to be a man. Modern storytelling that it's full of pop psychology about people trying to satisfy their childhood neuroses, so it's not surprising to me that this is the motivation the screenwriters would come up with. Tolkien could imagine characters that were adults, though, making decisions that go beyond personal satisfaction into self-sacrifice for the benefit of the whole, so he wrote Faramir as a man.

And I'm far from the first book-firster to take issue with Faramir letting Frodo carry the Ring, just the first one here. This conversation has gone on in many places far from this board over the last decade.

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Oh the controversy! Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 25 2011, 3:43am
    Not as many movie fans in the Reading Room... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 25 2011, 7:36am
        The book is the story. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 11:48am
            No, the book and the movies are different stories. Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 1:05pm
                I don't think so. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 1:17pm
                    So with that logic, what are the movies then? The "false" story?! // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Mar 25 2011, 1:51pm
                        There could have been "false Hobbit", had Tolkien had his way. Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 2:13pm
                            There is a story called The Lord of the Rings... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 3:35pm
                                the first couple chapters of his attempted Hobbit rewrite have been published acheron Send a private message to acheron Mar 25 2011, 4:59pm
                                He indeed did Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 5:54pm
                                    Thanks for the information about The Hobbit. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 6:12pm
                                        It's not made by Tolkien, therefore it's independent from him. Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 6:27pm
                                            What is it? jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 8:05pm
                                                Let's call this off Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 9:50pm
                                                    Amateur? jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 10:09pm
                                                        And yet it has plenty of well ackowledged defects Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 11:14pm
                                                            What are your standards for being an amateur? jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 11:19pm
                                                                No, no, no Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 11:38pm
                                                                    I don't feel attacked... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 25 2011, 11:46pm
                                                                        Good then, I was kind of worried... Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 11:57pm
                                                                            Professional vs Amateur only means one thing. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 26 2011, 12:27am
                                                                                Tolkien did indeed write "just for pleasure". dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Mar 26 2011, 12:46am
                                                                                    Tolkien wrote for publication. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 26 2011, 1:19am
                                                                                        Even one of the biographers of Tolkien Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Mar 26 2011, 1:29am
                                                                                            Tolkien was an amateur... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 26 2011, 2:00am
                                                                            Aragorn, Gandalf and amatuers Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 26 2011, 1:44am
                                                                                Gandalf beating Denethor Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 26 2011, 9:04am
                                                                                    I was agreeing with you on the amatuer thing Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 26 2011, 11:36pm
                                                                            Slight interjection here... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Mar 28 2011, 4:06am
                                                                                Amateurs jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 28 2011, 10:02am
                                                                                    If I was to write a random book right now and publish it would not make me a professional writer. // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Mar 28 2011, 11:12am
                                                                                        If people bought it, it would. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 28 2011, 11:29am
                                                                                    A label often sticks no matter how untrue CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2011, 3:06pm
                                                                                        I'm not arguing with Tolkien's critics... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 28 2011, 4:46pm
                                                                                            Not necessarily macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Mar 28 2011, 5:14pm
                                                                                                What we many semi-pro. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 28 2011, 5:26pm
                                                                Tolkien was an amateur writer. macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Mar 26 2011, 9:10am
                                                                    What they're saying is... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 26 2011, 10:19am
                                                                        Thanks for the discussion jrpipik! Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 26 2011, 9:48pm
                                            The movies are in no way independent. The Party Tree Send a private message to The Party Tree Mar 25 2011, 9:00pm
                                                Ontology Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 9:47pm
                    You don't understand the problem - or the lack of it. Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 2:08pm
            Ignored the cautious and reasonable? Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 27 2011, 11:55pm
                Someone without Faramir's insight.... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 28 2011, 12:36am
                    "Why in the world would he trust him with it after that?" Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 30 2011, 3:57am
                        Faramir understands Frodo's burden... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 30 2011, 10:15am
                            *snert!* GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Mar 30 2011, 7:21pm
                            forgot to mention Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Apr 1 2011, 7:27pm
                                That's why Sam was there... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 1 2011, 8:21pm
                                    Technically, it was only Frodo... Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Apr 3 2011, 12:41am
                                        Tehnicalities to one side... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 3 2011, 1:10pm
                                            Illogical Faramir? Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Apr 3 2011, 3:23pm
                                                I don't see Frodo as any hope at all at that point. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 3 2011, 5:05pm
                                                    I agree with some of your points Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Apr 3 2011, 5:38pm
                                                        The intuitive decision was the right one. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 3 2011, 6:26pm
                                                            Book Faramir and film Faramir are both good judges of charactar Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Apr 4 2011, 1:29am
                                                                "Blithely" is not a word I would choose. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 4 2011, 3:43am
                                                                    Faramir and Frodo Gwytha Send a private message to Gwytha Apr 4 2011, 5:43am
                                                                        Perhaps I'm not being clear... jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 4 2011, 10:49am
                                                                            a very late response Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Apr 7 2011, 3:13am
                                                                                More Faramir and Frodo jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 7 2011, 10:46am
        I actually thought of putting this discussion on Main Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Mar 25 2011, 6:12pm
            Frodo's lie... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 25 2011, 6:40pm
                don't like that, don't like a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 27 2011, 3:40am
                    You hit on all the points I disliked about the movie--all of them!// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 28 2011, 2:56pm
    Sorry for hijacking your thread.... Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Mar 25 2011, 11:33pm
    Observations; Weak Characters Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 26 2011, 2:25am
        Book vs. Movie fans Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 26 2011, 3:33am
            Aragorn left me cold on the first reading jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Mar 26 2011, 4:03am
                Don't understand Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 26 2011, 6:09am
    Sorry, middle-grounder here... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Mar 28 2011, 3:53am
    The Uncanny Valley Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 28 2011, 5:51pm
        Boorman? Do you mean Bakshi?// GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Mar 28 2011, 7:58pm
            Boorman. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 28 2011, 8:14pm
                Okay, thanks for the clarification! GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Mar 28 2011, 8:20pm
        "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." Idril Celebrindal Send a private message to Idril Celebrindal Mar 31 2011, 7:10pm
            Hardly small, nor exclusive geordie Send a private message to geordie Apr 1 2011, 7:53am
                LOTR sales macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Apr 1 2011, 8:06am
                    Could that mean... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Apr 1 2011, 2:52pm
                        I'm betting readers and movie-goer numbers are pretty close. jrpipik Send a private message to jrpipik Apr 1 2011, 2:57pm
                            I hope you're right... GAndyalf Send a private message to GAndyalf Apr 1 2011, 3:05pm

 
 
 

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