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Curious
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Mar 13 2011, 7:10pm


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Sorry, I got distracted there for a while.

Z. - DD. Nice point about Freca, in particular, being an unsavory character who might burn captives alive. Also, nice point about burning captives not always considered shameful -- I would add that for long periods in history it was an accepted form of capital punishment. Thanks for noting the questions about whether the Rohirrim really hunted the Druedain.

In general I think it is possible to believe that there is a grain of truth in Saruman's lie. As you say, it doesn't seem credible that the Rohirrim would have been squeaky clean for 500 years. Then again, maybe there is no truth at all -- sometimes the most outrageous lies work because people figure there must be a grain of truth in them. No one would just make it up out of nothing, would they? Sometimes they would.

EE. I find it interesting that Erkenbrand feels authorized to grant the Dunlendings amnesty. But then Erkenbrand is Lord of the Westfold, which is adjacent to Dunland. Perhaps Theoden would not expect him to seek permission about such matters, even if Theoden is readily available to discuss it. And perhaps, as you suggest, it is such common behavior among the Rohirrim that it does not occur to Erkenbrand to bring it up. It seems to me that the protocol might be different in Gondor, where power is more centralized.

FF. - GG. I agree that by the rules under which Middle-earth operates, where oaths have real power, Erkenbrand and King Elessar are not guilty of being naive.

HH. I don't know if you deliberately misunderstood my question or not, but you raise a good point. If the Rohirrim did not pay reparations for taking Rohan, why then should the Dunlendings pay reparations now?

II. - KK. I agree that it would be unlike Tolkien to directly comment on specific real-world events. However I think the general contrasts between Middle-earth and the Primary World are intentional and didactic. I feel quite sure that Tolkien believed in mercy in the Primary World, and not just in the Secondary World, even where showing mercy seems risky.

LL. - MM. Then again, Tolkien seems to bend over backwards to make LotR a conflict between free peoples and monsters, with Saruman and Sauron's human armies kind of caught in the middle, deceived and misled, rather than just as monstrous as their masters. The monsters are offered mercy but never, ever take it. The humans are offered mercy and take it. Thus Tolkien externalizes most evil, which is mostly wiped off the earth, and happy days are here again -- except that some evil lives on in humans who exhibit monstrous behavior, i.e., a modern kind of evil.

NN. I agree that lumping all ancient dramas together is unfair. It does seem to me, though, that a certain genre of ancient literature exults in bloody victories, even while others -- for example, The Iliad -- do raise questions about whether victories are worth all the blood. They are war stories from a time when war was personal, when warriors fought each other hand to hand. Slaughter by great warriors is part of the excitement, even if questions get raised later. In the case of ancient monsters, though, few if any people regretted stories of such slaughters.

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LotR, Book III Discussion: The Road to Isengard Curious Send a private message to Curious Feb 27 2011, 1:25pm
    Ok here we have this forest....please keep axes stowed away in the upper compartment or under your seats..... PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Feb 27 2011, 7:39pm
        That was quick! Curious Send a private message to Curious Feb 27 2011, 8:27pm
            be hasty! PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Feb 28 2011, 12:21pm
        I think Tolkien Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2011, 3:30pm
        More thoughts about your thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2011, 10:17pm
            thoughts on thoughts PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 4 2011, 3:54pm
        Why would the Hornburg be ruled out as a rendezvous? Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 4 2011, 6:49pm
    Good idea Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Feb 27 2011, 11:41pm
    A visit to the bad neighbor CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 28 2011, 1:20am
        You could raise some question of your own, Curious Send a private message to Curious Feb 28 2011, 1:00pm
            Ents neglecting hobbits CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 28 2011, 1:27pm
                Excellent question! Curious Send a private message to Curious Feb 28 2011, 3:29pm
                    You must be *this tall* to enter Isengard PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 2 2011, 1:34am
                        A few responses sador Send a private message to sador Mar 2 2011, 8:08am
                            oh darn PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 2 2011, 5:02pm
        Good point about the staff. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 5 2011, 6:08am
            The staff is important FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 5 2011, 12:26pm
                we need a Bible scholar a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 5 2011, 3:11pm
                    I've refered to this once sador Send a private message to sador Mar 5 2011, 8:39pm
        I agree about Gandalf's staff. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 6 2011, 9:26pm
            Weather and floods and magic CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 7 2011, 3:47pm
        Let's see, where did I leave off? Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 8 2011, 8:08pm
            Orcs as sadists CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 9 2011, 5:57pm
                You were right the first time. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 9 2011, 6:06pm
                Ugluk said so. sador Send a private message to sador Mar 9 2011, 6:11pm
                    He said so twice, actually squire Send a private message to squire Mar 9 2011, 8:12pm
                        I have also understood so. // sador Send a private message to sador Mar 10 2011, 7:10am
        Okay, I guess a distinction Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 9 2011, 9:27pm
            Rivendell not a credible choice for a refuge / stronghold Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Mar 9 2011, 10:04pm
                My best rationalization/explanation Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 9 2011, 10:41pm
    woe as in malediction; and about those orcs... a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Feb 28 2011, 4:21am
        Well, if "woe" means the Ring, Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 9 2011, 11:01pm
            no, not "the Ring", but "something like" a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 9 2011, 11:53pm
                Wright or worng? squire Send a private message to squire Mar 10 2011, 1:40am
                Yes, Tolkien didn't take the easy path. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2011, 6:12am
                    I will think about this a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2011, 12:59pm
                        Aragorn does parlay with the orcs at Helm's Deep. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2011, 1:24pm
                            do you mean in theology, or in ME? a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2011, 2:46pm
                                As I understand it, mortal sin cannot be forgiven after death. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2011, 3:15pm
                                    possibly true, but I thought we were talking about a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2011, 10:18pm
                                        It does make things complicated. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2011, 10:39pm
    Some random answers FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 28 2011, 3:33pm
        Cheddar Gorge Kimi Send a private message to Kimi Feb 28 2011, 11:16pm
        Gimli does seem more down to earth, Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2011, 4:25pm
    1. Some thoughts and answers to Questions A-Y. squire Send a private message to squire Feb 28 2011, 8:55pm
        A score FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 28 2011, 9:38pm
        Thanks for adding your own questions! Curious Send a private message to Curious Feb 28 2011, 10:16pm
        Regarding your extra thoughts sador Send a private message to sador Mar 2 2011, 10:01am
            There's bacon FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 2 2011, 10:23am
        I finally have the opportunity Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2011, 10:00pm
    Orc survivors from Helm's Deep Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Feb 28 2011, 9:49pm
        I did not know that.// Curious Send a private message to Curious Feb 28 2011, 10:17pm
        Not Helm's Deep - they escaped from the Battles of the Fords of Isen squire Send a private message to squire Mar 1 2011, 7:48pm
            Helm's Deep still the best source for the Drúwaith Iaur 'remnant' Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Mar 2 2011, 10:49pm
                Imprisonment not exile. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 2 2011, 11:17pm
                    Well spotted! Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Mar 3 2011, 12:15am
    2. Some thoughts and answers to Questions Z-ZZ. squire Send a private message to squire Mar 1 2011, 12:17am
        The need for a red shirt character Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 1 2011, 5:25am
            It's early days yet! Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Mar 4 2011, 10:49am
        Regarding your extra thoughts - part 2 sador Send a private message to sador Mar 2 2011, 11:17am
        Okay, back to your answers. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 13 2011, 7:10pm
    3. Some thoughts and answers to Questions AAA-ZZZ. squire Send a private message to squire Mar 1 2011, 12:56pm
        Great observations CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 1 2011, 1:50pm
        Regarding your extra thoughts - part 3 sador Send a private message to sador Mar 2 2011, 12:00pm
    Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 1 2011, 3:54pm
        You crack me up! Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 1 2011, 4:17pm
        All right, I have to get back to work, Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 1 2011, 5:38pm
        Well (Part Deux) Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 1 2011, 7:07pm
        “Two legs bad, root system good.” CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Mar 1 2011, 8:46pm
            "Ho ho ho! The sheepers do not play at their craft." sador Send a private message to sador Mar 2 2011, 2:12pm
    Comments on the chapter's summary sador Send a private message to sador Mar 1 2011, 5:47pm
        post-battle burial mounds / markers Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Mar 3 2011, 12:13am
            creepy places PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 3 2011, 6:29pm
                Snowmane was buried, not burned // FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 3 2011, 8:06pm
    4. Some thoughts and answers to Questions AAAA-YYYY. squire Send a private message to squire Mar 2 2011, 8:46pm
        Regarding your extra thoughts - part 4 sador Send a private message to sador Mar 3 2011, 10:34am
            How the Ents and Nazgul are alike squire Send a private message to squire Mar 6 2011, 7:35pm
    Gandalf Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Mar 3 2011, 12:30am
    5. Some thoughts and answers to Questions ZZZZ-YYYYY. squire Send a private message to squire Mar 3 2011, 6:47am
        Those paved roads... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 3 2011, 11:23am
        Regarding your extra thoughts - part 5 sador Send a private message to sador Mar 6 2011, 9:43am
            cutting in PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 6 2011, 12:15pm
                If I may be so bold as to disagree sador Send a private message to sador Mar 6 2011, 1:50pm
                    re: PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Mar 7 2011, 8:59am
    6. Some thoughts and answers to Questions ZZZZZ-OOOOOO. squire Send a private message to squire Mar 4 2011, 11:55am
        You are welcome. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 4 2011, 1:42pm
        Your three last thoughts sador Send a private message to sador Mar 6 2011, 10:36am
        On the "collision" FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 8 2011, 10:11am
    Answers - part I sador Send a private message to sador Mar 6 2011, 3:55pm
    Of Orcs and Gimli... batik Send a private message to batik Mar 7 2011, 4:15am
    Answers - part II sador Send a private message to sador Mar 7 2011, 10:14am
        Rhovanion ancestors and the burning of prisoners Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Mar 9 2011, 9:42pm
            I have forgotten that. Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Mar 10 2011, 7:16am

 
 
 

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