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Orc-play vs. Orc-words


Jul 30 2007, 1:34am

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Orc-play vs. Orc-words [In reply to] Can't Post

In CoH, Túrin's retort is:"Orc-work there was; this is only Orc-play."
which differs from the Unfinished Tales version:"Orc-work in the woods for Orc-words in the hall!"

I assume both versions were penned by JRRT, but CT changed his mind about which was ultimately preferred. I like the UT sentence for its better parallel structure, but the thrust of the CoH variation is different and probably more apt in the situation. If Túrin justifies "Orc-work" because of "Orc-words in the hall", it sounds like he stewed overnight and looked for revenge in the morning, that he had no further provocation. "Orc-play" following "Orc-work" is more ambiguous; Mablung may interpret the latter as a reference to the previous evening's quarrel, but only because he knows nothing of the morning ambush, which is, I'm sure, what Túrin actually means.

To the Sea, to the Sea! The white gulls are crying,
The wind is blowing, and the white foam is flying.

Subject User Time
**CoH Discussion** V. Túrin in Doriath 4: Orc-work Wynnie Send a private message to Wynnie Jul 11 2007, 2:54am
    Turin as the square peg Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jul 11 2007, 5:18am
    Poetic injustice. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 11 2007, 6:15am
    Pure violence Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Jul 11 2007, 7:11am
    Sayings drogo Send a private message to drogo Jul 11 2007, 10:43am
    Pure sex - almost squire Send a private message to squire Jul 12 2007, 3:36am
        Tolkien's "buttocks". N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 12 2007, 5:29am
            getting to the bottom of it all Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Jul 13 2007, 3:15am
                Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 13 2007, 2:17pm
            "Run, Forrest, run!" / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jul 13 2007, 1:32pm
    comments Saelind Send a private message to Saelind Jul 24 2007, 4:20am
    Orc-play vs. Orc-words Wynnie Send a private message to Wynnie Jul 30 2007, 1:34am


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