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Well, indeed.

Curious
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Jun 23 2007, 1:33am


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”And be careful of what you say, even to your closest friends! The enemy has many spies and many ways of hearing.“

“It commands a wide view all round. Indeed, there are many birds and beasts in this country that could see us, as we stand here, from that hill-top. Not all the birds are to be trusted, and there are other spies more evil than they are.”

“'Well, Sam,' he said at last, 'I do not like this place either; but I cannot think of anywhere better that we could reach before nightfall. At least we are out of sight for the moment, and if we moved we should be much more likely to be seen by spies.’”

“That was seventeen years ago. Soon I became aware that spies of many sorts, even beasts and birds, were gathered round the Shire, and my fear grew. I called for the help of the Dúnedain, and their watch was doubled; and I opened my heart to Aragorn, the heir of Isildur.“

“How that was contrived we cannot guess; but Gollum is cunning, and the spies of the Enemy are many. The dark things that were driven out in the year of the Dragon's fall have returned in greater numbers, and Mirkwood is again an evil place, save where our realm is maintained.”

“Their Captain remained in secret away south of Bree, while two rode ahead through the village, and four more invaded the Shire. But when these were foiled in Bree and at Crickhollow, they returned to their Captain with tidings, and so left the Road unguarded for a while, except by their spies.”

“Soon now his spies on foot and wing will be abroad in the northern lands. Even of the sky above you must beware as you go on your way.“



As I said, almost all of those spies around the Shire are really Saruman's, as we learn in "The Hunt for the Ring." When the Nazgul came along they co-opted Saruman's spies, but before that time the pipeline went to Saruman first. However, as I also said, through the palantir Sauron learned what Saruman learned.


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Simultaneous with the attack at Osgiliath Sauron’s forces attacked at Cair Andros, Dale, Erebor, Mirkwood, and Lothlorien. A micromanager couldn’t have pulled that off.



A human micromanager could not pull it off. It is a sign of Sauron's power that he is a micromanager and yet pulled it off. Or nearly pulled it off.


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Sauron has a huge empire with orcs in fortifications and encampments all through Mordor and up and down the Anduin. If Cirith Ungol is typical of what happens when Sauron isn't watching then all the West has to do is sit back and watch Mordor disintegrate.



As you said, Sauron was stretched to his limit to pull off all these attacks at once. Even the greatest micromanager has his limits.


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Well, there’s an old Roman saying to the effect that no matter how skilled a leader is, it all comes to naught unless destiny is with him. Sauron failed only because he was meant to fail. After all, how improbable is Frodo and Sam’s journey to Oroduin?



Maybe, maybe not. There's another thread on this subject.


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Who is the best tactican in LOTR? Fionnan2 Send a private message to Fionnan2 Jun 20 2007, 11:54pm
    Well, I think that's a bit harsh. Penthe Send a private message to Penthe Jun 21 2007, 2:11am
        Tactics or Strategy? Atlas Send a private message to Atlas Jun 21 2007, 6:35am
        Facing a "wildly superior army"? what good will tactics or strategy do then? squire Send a private message to squire Jun 21 2007, 1:06pm
            What about sending Faramir to retake Osgiliath? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 21 2007, 2:42pm
                Not in the book. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 21 2007, 3:25pm
                    Ambiguity, always ambiguity. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 21 2007, 3:39pm
                        The movie played up... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 21 2007, 3:46pm
                He never did Wynnie Send a private message to Wynnie Jun 21 2007, 3:25pm
                    Wait, if you're playing... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 21 2007, 3:31pm
                        2004, the year of Wynnie Send a private message to Wynnie Jun 21 2007, 3:34pm
                    See my response to N.E.B./ Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 21 2007, 3:39pm
                        I agree Wynnie Send a private message to Wynnie Jun 21 2007, 3:50pm
                            So! We can write a long footnote about every word that Tolkien never wrote. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 21 2007, 4:01pm
                            It may not be suicide, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 21 2007, 4:32pm
                                I agree that the book is brilliantly ambiguous FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 21 2007, 5:08pm
                                    Yes. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 21 2007, 5:56pm
    Interesting Atlas Send a private message to Atlas Jun 21 2007, 6:42am
    Meriadoc Brandybuck. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 21 2007, 11:51am
        What about Faramir? Penthe Send a private message to Penthe Jun 22 2007, 12:54am
            Flip often works in the Reading Room. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 22 2007, 2:01am
            I forgot about Faramir's hit and run ambush. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 22 2007, 2:35am
                Sauraman was close to some battles Fionnan2 Send a private message to Fionnan2 Jun 22 2007, 5:35pm
                    Saruman apparently showed up late Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 22 2007, 6:23pm
    Gandalf... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jun 21 2007, 11:18pm
        Gandalf is more of a strategist. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 22 2007, 8:41pm
    Ugluk orcbane Jun 22 2007, 3:19am
        Are you kidding? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 22 2007, 5:58pm
            I couldn't agree more especially about the WK. Fionnan2 Send a private message to Fionnan2 Jun 22 2007, 6:02pm
    Frodo Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 22 2007, 9:22pm
        Was Frodo the tactician? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 22 2007, 10:49pm
            Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 23 2007, 12:10am
                Well, indeed. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 23 2007, 1:33am
    Ugluk don't be a hero orcbane Jun 23 2007, 1:30am

 
 
 

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