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'Warners won't confirm if Hobbit will move from NZ' + new information
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Empedocles
Rivendell


Oct 21 2010, 5:01pm

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It's horrible [In reply to] Can't Post

You've got to think about how hard it is for a person to decide who gets to keep a job and who doesn't.

Peter looks tired, sad and beaten and I guess one of the reasons for that is that they put him in a position where he has to choose friends over friends.

Please, give us back Glorfindel!!!


Starling
Half-elven


Oct 21 2010, 5:07pm

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Or even days (I think) [In reply to] Can't Post

If a bill is tabled and passed under urgency.
I believe this qualifies as *urgent*.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 5:16pm

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I do not think [In reply to] Can't Post

that the 2350 would consider themselves 'not good enough' if they were not among the top 15 or 16% to be picked. The fact that they were hired in the first place shows that they were good enough. Of course I can't speak for other people, but if I was one of them I certainly wouldn't lose any self-esteem just because I wasn't among Peter Jackson's hand-picked elite minority.

And (this is a question to which I can't find the answer anywhere) wouldn't Weta be able to continue to work on The Hobbit even in the event of a relocation? And isn't a large amount of their work done already?


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 5:22pm

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The problem isn't just this production [In reply to] Can't Post

New Zealanders are worried about the black eye to their film industry that can hurt future work as well.

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 5:25pm

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But didn't Peter say [In reply to] Can't Post

that the damage to the industry has already been done and even filming The Hobbit in New Zealand will not repair it?


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 5:27pm

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No he didn't say that he said the damage [In reply to] Can't Post

was to the production of The Hobbit after a week of the cheese sammich.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 5:28pm

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And even if he did say it [In reply to] Can't Post

it wouldn't change the fact of what I said previously - that New Zealanders are concerned with more than just losing The Hobbit they're concerned about losing future work.

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Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 21 2010, 5:33pm

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The question is [In reply to] Can't Post

what happens to the majority? When they can't work on the Hobbit, do you really think they get another job, now that the unions made sure that studios are sceptical if the NZ film industry can be trusted? Maybe not being among the elite minority isn't reason enough to feel bad, but being out of a job altogether would be, I'd think.

As for Weta - my guess is that Weta digital might still be able to do the post-production stuff. But what about Weta workshop? They will lose all the work that's not already done, as it gets moved offshore, IMO. Costumes, props, all that stuff.

IIRC, during the filming of LotR the production employed at times 20.000 people. Compare that to 150 and you may understand why I don't think these 150 are promising for Peter. Not to mention that it has to be a terrible job to chose them in the first place. He'll have worked with many for a long while, and then to have to pick a few and force the others into possible unemployment ...



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dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 21 2010, 5:37pm

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Flagg [In reply to] Can't Post

... we know that you want the filming in Ireland but honestly, just look at Peter Jackson's face and bearing in those interviews and try to imagine what this must be doing to him; in fact, you don't need to imagine, you can see it. Try turning your imagination instead to how it would feel embarking on a huge project like filming The Hobbit with that sense of defeat - pushed out of your own country and forced to choose who gets to come with you, and work, and who gets left behind to chew their fingernails and wonder when the next big film might happen along.

OK, he's a grown-up and a professional, he'll cope, but can't you see how much better things would be if they didn't have to start the filming under this kind of cloud? If they could be in the place they know and love, proving to the world once again that New Zealand can achieve amazing things? Call me naive, but I really don't want everyone to discover too late that New Zealand was as much part of the magic as any other cast member.

As to Weta, I don't know the answer but I suspect that while Weta digital will almost certainly be involved I wouldn't be so sure about the Weta Workshop. Maybe what they've already done will be able to be used, if it's transportable, but they couldn't possibly have the day-to-day, hands-on involvement when the filming isn't right on their doorstep. The job of large set building would surely have to go to some other company... And I'd say that losing them really would be too much of a loss.


Snaga
Lorien


Oct 21 2010, 5:41pm

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You're on the right track [In reply to] Can't Post


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Silmaril
Lorien


Oct 21 2010, 5:51pm

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yes, it hurts!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

what a big mess.


Allanon
The Shire

Oct 21 2010, 5:51pm

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Robyn Malcolm [In reply to] Can't Post

"Outrageous Fortune star and Actors' Equity committee member Robyn Malcolm said yesterday she could not believe a request for a discussion around conditions was enough to derail the project."

I cannot believe the ignorance of some of these people. It wasn't a request for a discussion. You blacklisted The Hobbit films on a worldwide level.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 6:19pm

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Dormouse [In reply to] Can't Post

I am humbled by your comments. While I would be happy to see The Hobbit filmed in Ireland, I am aware of the negative repercussions which would follow a move and I still feel uneasy about the possibility. It's not fun having a perspective opposed by virtually everyone else on the boards. While I have tried to find the upsides and potential benefits of a move, I've done my best not to annoy anyone – I have never said that I hope for a move, or that it would be a good thing, or that Ireland would be a better filming location than New Zealand. I don't deny that I'd be happy about it (albeit in a guilty sort of way), but I'd like to emphasise that I'd also be perfectly happy to see the films shot in New Zealand. I think I am fairly neutral as regards the location, though my relative neutrality probably makes me appear to be a pro-Ireland extremist in comparison to the average TORNsib's pro-New Zealand position.


Patty
Immortal


Oct 21 2010, 6:27pm

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NZ's beauty has seduced many before...I don't see why [In reply to] Can't Post

it couldn't work on these Warner folks.Evil

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Ataahua
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Oct 21 2010, 6:35pm

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Hmm. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not thrilled by the idea of employment laws being altered to suit a single issue. I'd like to see the details of the proposed amendment.

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Ataahua
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Oct 21 2010, 6:36pm

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*gets out little black number* [In reply to] Can't Post

A Porche.

What were you thinking of?

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
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Sauron: "Mine's better."

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ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 21 2010, 6:39pm

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Update from the New York Times.... [In reply to] Can't Post

As of Thursday morning, according to a person briefed on the matter, Warner’s New Line unit, which is supervising the production for Warner Brothers and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, was still considering a move to another country, in part because, in the studios’ view, the New Zealand actors, despite having withdrawn their call for an international union boycott, are continuing to insist that the “Hobbit” producers conduct discussions that would run afoul of New Zealand law. A team of Warner executives is expected to be in New Zealand by Tuesday, both to assess the situation and to consider plans for production elsewhere.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/new-zealand-still-in-hobbit-picture-for-now/



Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 21 2010, 6:43pm

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*sigh* [In reply to] Can't Post

That's exactly what we feared, isn't it? Can someone please show that to that Kelly woman and all the other union officials who pretend to have no clue or actually don't have one what the problem is and who caused it?

By the way, thank you for posting all these links and snippets. Much appreciated!



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Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2010, 6:44pm

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Flagg [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for being with us in this community! Don't feel bad for having a different opinion. I can understand countries wanting to bring The Hobbit to their native shores. What an amazing prospect. I think I am personally rooting for PJ and New Zealand because in my viewing of the films, the special features, documentaries, reading interviews, I have never been so engaged by a team of people. I am so inspired by what they do. There are so many great film crews. Personally this one holds a special place in my heart. My country could use the economic kick, as I'm sure your's and many others could as well.

I just think they have earned the right to do it there.

My two cents.

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ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 21 2010, 6:51pm

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At least they are only still considering moving from NZ [In reply to] Can't Post

That means its not final. The decision has yet to be made. But I agree, it doesn't sound good.


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Valinor


Oct 21 2010, 6:59pm

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Yep :( [In reply to] Can't Post

Still don't know if I dare to hope. That emotional rollercoaster is getting to me - at that rate I'm going to have a nervous breakdown before we know for sure. Who knows how long it takes after they start on Monday? And what a strain on Peter and his team; they have to feel terrible, as for them so much depends on the outcome. Really don't want to be in their place, considering how bad I already feel.



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grammaboodawg
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Oct 21 2010, 7:09pm

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She's spinning her story [In reply to] Can't Post

with no conscience...

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dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 21 2010, 9:58pm

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Sorry Flagg [In reply to] Can't Post

... I'm not in the business of making anybody feel humbled, I just lost it a bit reading your posts that seemed to be dismissing all the New Zealanders who will lose out if this project moves. It is tough holding a minority view and you do it well - and thank goodness there's room for us all around here! Wink

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