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Completing the set

squire
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Jul 20 2010, 4:19pm


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Completing the set [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice phrase!

Yes, we might conclude that Elrond is confessing his own confrontation with the Ring in that one statement. Of course, he does let it come to Rivendell, and he hosts it for months while the "scouts" are out and about that fall. Likewise, Galadriel allows the Ring (against her better judgment, it seems) into Lothlorien, and Gandalf and Aragorn, having foresworn the Ring, travel with it for weeks or months. I think these are interesting examples of the power of words or oaths in the story: the Wise and Powerful are largely safe against the Ring's immediate proximity if they have said to themselves and others that they will not take it. Faramir (weaker and less sure of himself) is true to his word too, but a bit more hasty, pushing Frodo out the door the next morning.

I don't see Bilbo's words as implying that Gandalf and Elrond were nervous about the Ring coming to Rivendell, because it would then tempt them. The situation would have been the same as it ended up: Rivendell could only have been a rest stop before sending the Ring to the Fire. Rather, the remark seems to me to refer to the idea (supported elsewhere in the text) that the Ring has passed from Bilbo, and cannot be taken back by him since he is so close to being enslaved by it.

It does beg the question of when Elrond first discovered from Gandalf that Bilbo's ring was a Great Ring of Power, if not the actual One Ring. In Gandalf's other narratives, he implies that the question of the hobbit's ring was a puzzle that only he and Aragorn were working on, leaving Saruman out of the loop - no mention of wise old Elrond at all. As I've asked before regarding Gandalf's wisdom, I'll ask again about Elrond's: why the delay? why no haste? why wait for decades when Sauron was weak, when no harm could have come from assuming the worst and acting quickly?



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why was Faramir not tempted by the Ring? TheNazgul Send a private message to TheNazgul Jul 12 2010, 5:11am
    Faramir was more aware of the dangers of absolute power elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jul 12 2010, 6:52am
    What makes you so sure FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 12 2010, 9:07am
        I disagree. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 12:14pm
            Disagreeing with disagreement :) CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 12 2010, 12:37pm
                I would say Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 3:28pm
                    The Nine Kings were not necessarily "corrupt" in the beginning squire Send a private message to squire Jul 12 2010, 4:56pm
                        As ringbearers, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 5:11pm
                        Elrond's weakness is revealed FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 20 2010, 1:03pm
                            Excellent point CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 20 2010, 1:23pm
                            Completing the set squire Send a private message to squire Jul 20 2010, 4:19pm
                    The Ring starts with the good natures, then leads to evil CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 13 2010, 1:44pm
                        Sam was wearing the Ring Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 3:10pm
                            "So no, the Ring didn't corrupt Boromir." squire Send a private message to squire Jul 13 2010, 3:24pm
                                I was simply repeating Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 3:32pm
                                    I do agree with this distinction CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 13 2010, 3:55pm
                                        It's possible Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 4:16pm
                                            Saruman and Denethor were never close to the Ring Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 13 2010, 5:52pm
                                                That's a good point. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 7:16pm
                                                    background Arwen Skywalker Send a private message to Arwen Skywalker Jul 13 2010, 8:00pm
                                                        It is precisely because Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 8:15pm
                                            So simple squire Send a private message to squire Jul 13 2010, 6:38pm
                                                I'm dubious too! Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 7:31pm
                                        Yes, desire for the Ring Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 11:21am
                            Sam was not wearing the Ring dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 15 2010, 2:30am
                                Okay, but Sam was Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 15 2010, 3:25am
                                    Bearing vs. wearing dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 15 2010, 11:34am
                                        Wearing is different anyway FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 15 2010, 12:33pm
                                            Do you mean, dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 15 2010, 4:13pm
                                                mmmmm Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 15 2010, 5:56pm
                                        Good point.// Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 15 2010, 1:50pm
                                Clear as... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 15 2010, 9:23am
                                    I love your Ring/donut comparison! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 15 2010, 10:36am
        Faramir's reaction elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jul 12 2010, 4:40pm
    Why wasn't anyone other than Boromir and Gollum tempted by the Ring? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 12:30pm
        Aragorn, Faramir, Gandalf, Galadriel and Sam are all tempted by the Ring Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jul 12 2010, 1:30pm
            One's reaction to the Temptation of the Ring Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 1:49pm
                To take that analogy further, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 8:09pm
            So much better Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 3:13pm
                What is temptation? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 12 2010, 4:06pm
                    What is magical temptation? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 4:33pm
                        magical temptation elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jul 12 2010, 5:04pm
                            Hmm. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 6:21pm
                                The function of the Palantirs elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jul 13 2010, 6:48am
                                    It's possible Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 11:45am
                        The One Ring's functions are more complex. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 5:07pm
                            So you agree that Faramir was not tempted? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 6:24pm
                                I would say that he had the resolve to resist whatever the temptation was. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 7:20pm
                                    What you describe Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 8:04pm
                                        Elrond says otherwise squire Send a private message to squire Jul 12 2010, 8:32pm
                                            I see no contradiction. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 9:04pm
                            No point in tempting other hobbits CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 13 2010, 1:26pm
        I guess you mean FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 12 2010, 2:02pm
            I don't understand why you think that Aragorn was not tempted by the Ring Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jul 12 2010, 2:09pm
                You mean at the Prancing Pony? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 12 2010, 3:36pm
                    I don't see a basis Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 8:13pm
                        Well, I do see a basis FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 12 2010, 9:40pm
                            I didn't say Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 10:32pm
                                I agree with FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 13 2010, 8:35am
                                    "I agree, but ..." Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 11:57am
                                        Got to quibble. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 14 2010, 1:27pm
                                            "I do not think that Frodo's was a moral failure." Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 2:06pm
                                                Thanks for the quote FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 14 2010, 5:31pm
                                                    I think I give up. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 6:37pm
                                            Magic vs. mechanical devices CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 14 2010, 6:20pm
                                                The Rise of the PCs: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 14 2010, 6:31pm
            No, I meant what I said, but Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 3:42pm
                The Ring Tempts: Individuals react: It is a test Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 3:52pm
                    It's remarkably ineffective, then. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 4:03pm
                        A remarkable set of test subjects: Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 4:50pm
                            Are the hobbits that exceptional? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 4:59pm
                                Hobbits are exceptional: at least Gandalf says that they are remarkable Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 7:23pm
                                    Then it is the non-hobbits who are not exceptional? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 7:53pm
                                        Those in the story that are in the position to be tempted by the One Ring Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 12 2010, 9:25pm
                                            The hobbits do not violate the principle of only high powers being tempted by the Ring squire Send a private message to squire Jul 12 2010, 10:21pm
                                                There is also the temptation Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 10:46pm
                                            It is precisely because they are exceptional that they are Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 12 2010, 10:40pm
                        Isildur? Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jul 13 2010, 8:46am
                            Isildur is a ringbearer. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 12:00pm
    Denethor and temptation PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Jul 12 2010, 2:25pm
    The All Purpose Ring of Wonder: It does everything its creator wanted it to do. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 13 2010, 7:50am
    "Temptation" defined CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jul 13 2010, 1:54pm
        Tolkien said Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 13 2010, 3:25pm
    He was xy Jul 13 2010, 5:53pm
        Gimli, Legolas or Merry and Pippin weren't apparently tempted Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 13 2010, 6:19pm
            well xy Jul 13 2010, 6:32pm
                Isn't there a difference Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 11:16am
                    Free will and determinism are both equally true. It is the great paradox. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 14 2010, 11:57am
                        Maybe. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 12:05pm
                            So I concede that the ring is very powerful Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jul 14 2010, 12:26pm
                                Possibly. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 1:53pm
                                    How does that work? squire Send a private message to squire Jul 14 2010, 3:11pm
                                        You think Galadriels' tranformation Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 4:34pm
                                            I'm willing to contemplate that we are getting nowhere squire Send a private message to squire Jul 14 2010, 5:16pm
                                        Why do you think Legolas and Gimli Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 14 2010, 6:25pm
                    wait... xy Jul 15 2010, 3:09pm
                        Apparently everyone agrees with you. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 15 2010, 4:02pm
        innocence PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Jul 14 2010, 5:33pm

 
 
 

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