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The case for a younger Bilbo
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Jan 28 2010, 7:02pm

Post #76 of 84 (170 views)
No problem; the timelines can definitely be confusing // [In reply to] Can't Post



Jan 28 2010, 8:59pm

Post #77 of 84 (164 views)
As mentioned before: Hobbits come of age later and live longer [In reply to] Can't Post

They are NOT human analogs. They are not the race of Men


Jan 28 2010, 9:07pm

Post #78 of 84 (160 views)
Actually, [In reply to] Can't Post

Hobbits are a variant of humans, at least in the book (the Prologue to TLotR: Hobbits are nearer relatives to humans even than Elves, who are biologically the same species as humans since they can have fertile offspring together). I don't believe there is anything to suggest the film-canon is different.

Additionally, as I mentioned earlier, coming of age does not demonstrate anything regarding rates of maturation: physical OR emotional. Nor does living longer (though the only difference is in the number of hobbits who live longer, not the maximum lifespan).


Jan 28 2010, 9:27pm

Post #79 of 84 (159 views)
Should Aragorn have been cast with an 80 y/o? [In reply to] Can't Post

I fail to see how literalism is going to make for a better film. Which is the point, is it not?


Jan 28 2010, 10:17pm

Post #80 of 84 (152 views)
Thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

Should Aragorn have been cast with an 80 y/o? = well said! Literalism doesn`t make a better movie. Besides, Ian Holm was too old for Bilbo who was supposed to look like he did in The Hobbit (which is 50 or human equivalent of 35). He was 70. Yet he was a great Bilbo.

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Jan 28 2010, 10:40pm

Post #81 of 84 (149 views)
I believe the difference is [In reply to] Can't Post

and someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong about this, that Tolkien specifically stated that men of Numenorean decsent keep their youthful good looks until the last decade of their lives. He was never so specific about Hobbit aging and we're left with speculation only, which, as we've all seen, can be interpreted any way we want.

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Jan 29 2010, 1:54am

Post #82 of 84 (143 views)
Unlike with hobbits... [In reply to] Can't Post

...we know that Numenoreans age slower than normal humans. It is clear from the actions of Aragorn and others that they are in better shape than others of that age would be. Similar evidence for hobbits does not exist.

Additonally, where have I advocated literalism? Suggestong that an adaptation should not play fast and loose with the characters it is adapting is not the same as saying nothing should be changed.

As for "the point"; obviously making a good film is important, but the point of an adaptation is to tell an existing story in a new form. Arbitrarily changing said story results in a failed adaptation.


Jan 29 2010, 1:56am

Post #83 of 84 (144 views)
In some cases... [In reply to] Can't Post

...more faithulness to the book (I refuse to accept the straw man distortion of "literalism") might well. Look at the "scrubbing bubbles" Army of the Dead for one, or the two-dimensional, slobbering madman Denethor.


Jan 29 2010, 3:56am

Post #84 of 84 (178 views)
Addendum [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't think to add this earlier, but I'm wondering if you were planning on responding to my points now that you've posted the non sequitur.

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