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SCOD ~12 July, 2009~ Namarië

.Ithilwen.
Rivendell


Aug 12 2009, 3:44pm

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"Ai! laurië lantar lassi súrinen..."
Ah! Like gold fall the leaves in the wind...

During this scene one of my favorite pieces in all 3 movies is played: “Farewell to Lorien” (You have to listen around the talking…). It was originally part of “The Great River” but was cut out and used as a bonus track on TTT soundtrack. I was surprised to find out the beautiful piece included several lines from Galadriel’s Lament in FotR.

Anywho…Today's SCOD is our last few moments in Lothlórien before the Fellowship journeys down the Anduin.

Here we have the lovely Cate Blanchett as Galadriel waving to the Fellowship as they depart.


And here is Fordo deep off in space deep in thought.


1.) Why do we see Galadriel’s ring, Nenya? Only ring bearers are supposed to see other rings…Maybe it’s supposed to be from Frodo’s point of view?
2.) Now…At this point everyone has received their gift. What about Boromir? He must be feeling very left out. I remember reading that he received a golden belt.
3.) I loved all of Elijah’s expressions. What is he thinking in image 2?
4.) Any other thoughts and/or comments!

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One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Aug 12 2009, 4:10pm

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as she waves, her voiceover speaks, "Farewell, Frodo of the Shire". So I think this is his point of view, that he is the one seeing the Ring. This is another moment I lvoe, because it sticks out from when I had read the book. What did it for me was the Swan boats. Tongue

As for the second cap, Frodo is likely still absorbing all that has transpired in Lothlorien, and what he will have to do next. More than likely, he already knows that he is going to leave the Fellowship, here in this screencap. Even more interesting, Sam happens to be in this shot as well. It's very suttle, but I think right here one could guess that it would come down to Frodo and Sam heading off to Mordor, if they can read movies that well. Tongue


Loresilme
Valinor


Aug 12 2009, 5:31pm

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As they start down the river I get a dark feeling, the realization that there's no going back. I think it's the sensation of the current carrying you, the feeling of being 'taken' forward, carried forward, whether you want to or not, which is better than having to march yourself, particularly if you're afraid and would give anything to just go back home ... you can't, because the river is inexorably propeling you forward.


P.S. And on a completely different tack, in the category of "Things You Notice After Watching the Trilogy Way Too Many Times"... I think Galadriel's finger nails are much too long. Really bugs me Frown.


weaver
Half-elven

Aug 12 2009, 7:39pm

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I like Galadriel's "blessing" here, and the Virgin Mary-ish imagery of her here. Nice!

The entire sequence is done just right, for me, and makes me Ok with them cutting out the gift giving scene, as I liked how they worked the phial into this part-- it makes the bond between Frodo and Galadriel more special, to show only him getting a "parting gift". I think it's also appropriate that the focus is primarily on these two characters here, as both of them end of leaving Middle Earth to save it, and they both ultimately accept that fate. The mirrored gestures in which Galadriel kisses Frodo on the head, and then Frodo does the same to Sam, were really inspired too, as a link between the two of them.

Lovely screencaps -- thanks!

Weaver





Sunflower
Valinor

Aug 14 2009, 1:02am

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I've always thought.. [In reply to] Can't Post

that Peter, Fran and Philippa took the image in the text of Aragorn "taking his [Borormir's] hand and kissing his brow" and expanded that into the cinematic trope of everyone who touches the Ring being "doomed," fated to suffer a death unlike that of mortals--whether it was being "damned" like Gollum for making the wrong choices with the Ring (but not in a larger, "cosmic" sense,as Gandlaf sees it),
-or being "blessed," like Frodo and Sam, and, interestingly, Bormomir himself (who I always thought went "over Sea" the "long way.")

Onscreen, they are linked via a kiss. A kiss of sad "blessing" and "fellowship" of the gloriously doomed. Galadriel "blesses" Frodo, who in turn "blesses" Sam. Part of the contract is that of course the Blesser cannot reveal, or doesn't have the heart to reveal, what he knows must follow.

Maybe not very Catholic (but I'm not Catholic, so who knows?Sly..but certainly very Christian.

Interesting in the FOTR EE--that little scene between Bilbo and Frodo hiding from the S.B's--Bilbo kind of "knows" it too. Everyone who is a Ring-Bearer is destined for the Sea, if he proves worthy. "Frodo.." "{pause as Frodo stares at him}.."you'll be all right." (Turns face hastily away, drinks from mug. Gaffer's home brew or not, there are some things the boy CANNOT yet know.)

I have always thought that that poignant close-up of Gandlaf at the Council of Elrond, just after Frodo says he will take the Ring, is Gandalf's sad recognition of Frodo "dooming" himself with his decision--you get the sense that even though Gandalf has long known what must happen, it's much harder to come to terms with and accept in an actual sense, watching it actualy unfold, then maybe it was back in Valinor in ages past when he had hints of such things. (I happen to think he was VERY "far-seeing" indeed.) I always thought that Gandalf was growing to love Frodo and wished he could watch him return to theShire and live a normal happy life. But the Quest must be fulfilled--and so he must "die." And there at the Council, oh it SO hard to accept. Thus, he turns away from Frod in that moment, so great is his pain.


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weaver
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Aug 14 2009, 2:16am

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I guess the Aragorn/Boromir moment seems like a blessing to me, too -- well, at least a prayer of some kind "be at peace". Same thing that Aragorn says to the King of the Dead, too, now that I think about it -- but I guess he had no forehead to kiss!

To me, what unites them all is that they are all "farewell" moments -- but lots of other ways to see these things, too, as you point out. Interesting!

Weaver





batik
Tol Eressea


Aug 16 2009, 12:16am

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1.) Why do we see Galadriel’s ring, Nenya? Only ring bearers are supposed to see other rings…Maybe it’s supposed to be from Frodo’s point of view?
I have never noticed that when watching "Fellowship..." and can't see it in the SCOD! Guess that means I need to pop in the DVD!
2.) Now…At this point everyone has received their gift. What about Boromir? He must be feeling very left out. I remember reading that he received a golden belt.

Talk about excluded! Yikes, that's gotta sting!
3.) I loved all of Elijah’s expressions. What is he thinking in image 2?

He looks to me as if he's trying to detach himself from the others and is not happy about it. The look in his eyes is one of the coldest I can recall.



frederica bolger
Lorien


Aug 16 2009, 9:08am

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Well, Boromir... [In reply to] Can't Post

...he's been given the most precious and dangerous gift of all, insight. Now much depends on how he uses it. Interestingly the two people most critical of elf-power, Gimli and Boromir, have been changed most. Gimli is deeply wounded by love, and interestingly, movie-Boromir seems to be deeply wounded by understanding that whatever he does, his father's rule is failing and his city will fall. Aragorn could soldier on without hope, but could Boromir have done the same?

Interestingly, in the movies, Aragorn is given his material gift by Celeborn, and immaterial gifts by Galadriel: her agreement to marry Arwen, and the name 'Elessar'. Now this is probably not as well thought out as it is the EE, but could one assume that there has been a similar heart-to-heart between Galadriel and Boromir?

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 17 2009, 1:26pm

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for me where everything stops. It's so beautiful and emotional... it makes me cry.



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_V_
Lorien


Aug 21 2009, 1:36pm

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It always felt like there was more going on in Lothlorien than you could ever hope to understand

It was just this brief glimpse of a fading world, that you never really got to know but just scratch the surface of, but then it was gone


sort of...sort of like when you're a child, a really small one, and you interact with your grandparents just enough to start to realize they had a very interesting life and were in fact "this whole other person" who had actual memories and experiences going on for 70-80 years before you....then before you can learn their entire "story" they die when you're still little

The Hobbits in Lothlorien, similarly, barely understand what's going on and just scratch the surface, just enough to be intrigued, then they're gone.

problem was that...the movie had a hard time balancing this though I think it worked: Lothlorien is supposed to be this "heaven on Earth" happy place, while at that point in the story, Gandalf just died, they have no idea what they're doing, and for that matter, they realize that even Gandalf never planned their journey out beyond "Get to Lothlorien" (in the books, they actually waste two months there...well, partially recovering from Moria, but also wasting time debating what they should do next, ultimately not deciding anything)

....the start of Two Towers actually seems to have more "purpose"/hope...when Aragorn's goal is simply "rescue Merry and Pippin" that's an..."achievable goal" as opposed to "go to Mordor to die", and then Gandalf comes back, and you realize things are starting to turn around.

Even for Frodo and Sam, they manage to capture Gollum, and use him as a guide to actually GET to Mordor's gate, when at the end of FOTR they weren't sure how to get through the Emyn Muil hills and the Dead Marshes....so it felt like "okay, we have a plan" again at the start of TTT.....post-Moria, things are doing pretty bad in FOTR.

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(This post was edited by _V_ on Aug 21 2009, 1:37pm)


Loresilme
Valinor


Aug 24 2009, 5:57pm

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The Hobbits in Lothlorien, similarly, barely understand what's going on and just scratch the surface, just enough to be intrigued, then they're gone.
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Yes, like those moments you have in life where .... they're very brief, and you know you don't understand what exactly just happened, but it registers in a way that you know, you just know, you're going to remember it for the rest of your life.

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Lothlorien is supposed to be this "heaven on Earth" happy place, while at that point in the story, Gandalf just died, they have no idea what they're doing,
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That's true ... maybe there could have been just a bit more dialogue to make this point more clear, there is a sort of dreamy, meandering feeling about being there, and then all of a sudden, they're leaving. There could have been something added to the dialogue to point out just how messed up and without-a-plan things were at this point.


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Aug 24 2009, 9:42pm

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