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sador
Valinor
Jul 5 2009, 12:07pm
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The problem is not so much the new character
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Can't Post
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As the new concept. Dain is also new, but we do know Thorin has cousins, friends and relatives somewhere.
On the other hand, we have heard a lot of Girion and Dale, and hear Smaug boast about his destroying it, and we hear about it in Esgaroth with no mention of survivors - and all of a sudden, it goes like: "Gee, you know, we forgot to tell you Girion's wife and daughter did escape, and actually some of Smaug's treasure is rightfully theirs".
Now seen from Bilbo's point of view, this seems reasonable enough, as he might not know about this - however, he does say later he knew Bard well, which he would't if Bard was just an attendant; so this does seem a but like cheating the reader.
So it goes against storytelling conventions, which I don't mind much; but it leaves a taste of 'Shouldn't we have been told of this before?'
"We may not understand him, but that old bird understands us, I am sure." - Balin.
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Fire and Water -- the story of Bard.
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Curious
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Jun 23 2009, 5:51pm
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answers?
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Disa
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Jun 23 2009, 10:18pm
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You've triggered a thought.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 24 2009, 5:54am
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Hmm.
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 5:20pm
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Pirates
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 24 2009, 8:17pm
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Yes, but was that in PoTC 1?
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 8:24pm
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In a sense, yes.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 24 2009, 8:30pm
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That seemed more like mutiny
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 9:02pm
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I didn't say it was a peaceable democracy.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 25 2009, 3:32am
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The demos always chooses in the end.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 25 2009, 3:00pm
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further explanation
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Disa
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Jun 25 2009, 4:41am
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Hello!
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GaladrielTX
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Jun 24 2009, 5:38pm
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hello 2u2!
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Disa
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Jun 25 2009, 5:31am
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MIckey's Okay.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 25 2009, 4:22pm
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ok, we'll agree to dissagree.
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Disa
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Jun 26 2009, 4:07am
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You do have a point.
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 26 2009, 4:28am
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Dragonslayer
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GaladrielTX
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Jun 23 2009, 11:05pm
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Hmm.
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 5:44pm
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Reluctant Answeres
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GaladrielTX
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Jun 25 2009, 12:43am
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Answering your questions.
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 1:38am
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Well, I Better.....
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Tolkien Forever
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Jun 23 2009, 11:24pm
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Hmm.
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 7:01pm
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wowzers...this looks like a lot of questions...
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batik
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Jun 24 2009, 2:52am
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mayor...master...miney-mo...
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batik
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Jun 24 2009, 3:24am
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Hmm.
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 9:51pm
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here's Bard...
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batik
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Jun 26 2009, 6:04am
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A few thoughts
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 24 2009, 6:05am
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Except that they hadn't!
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 9:06pm
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Laketown democracy
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Jun 24 2009, 7:32am
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The latter is more likely. And cynics
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Curious
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Jun 24 2009, 9:55pm
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And idealists
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squire
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Jun 25 2009, 1:47am
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Not
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 10:47am
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It’s not the same thing
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squire
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Jun 25 2009, 12:18pm
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It wasn't clear to me
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 1:10pm
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A light from the shadows shall spring
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FarFromHome
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Jun 24 2009, 8:57am
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What do you have in mind?
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 11:12am
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I suppose I was thinking of Davy Crockett...
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FarFromHome
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Jun 25 2009, 3:17pm
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It's a Wonderful Life is a fairy tale, but
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 3:36pm
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Hmmm.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 25 2009, 3:58pm
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Maybe it goes back to Owen Barfield's theory
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 4:27pm
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I think you're missing a third option.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 25 2009, 8:30pm
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Is idealism dead?
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squire
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Jun 26 2009, 12:49am
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Best thing you ever wrote, Squire!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 26 2009, 4:26am
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You're quite right.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 26 2009, 8:31am
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Is a system full of checks and balances idealistic?
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Curious
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Jun 26 2009, 11:26am
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I'm not sure what the question is anymore
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squire
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Jun 26 2009, 12:23pm
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Is Superman a democratic fairy tale?
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Curious
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Jun 26 2009, 2:05pm
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Comic books are fantasy
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 26 2009, 4:01pm
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They aren't hard science fiction,
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Curious
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Jun 26 2009, 4:34pm
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You have answered it!
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 25 2009, 4:41pm
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How democratic is Harry Potter's world?
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 5:15pm
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I have to agree.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 25 2009, 7:59pm
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Rowling firmly rejects race
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 8:32pm
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Of course.
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FarFromHome
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Jun 25 2009, 8:56pm
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I just wanted to point out an important distinction
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Curious
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Jun 26 2009, 2:49pm
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Wizarding Genetics
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 26 2009, 4:08pm
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That's a possibility, I'll admit.
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Curious
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Jun 26 2009, 4:44pm
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More wizarding genetics
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 26 2009, 7:02pm
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm
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Curious
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Jun 26 2009, 7:46pm
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A few answers
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sador
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Jun 24 2009, 11:04am
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Interesting, about Obama,
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 24 2009, 4:48pm
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Rags-to-riches stories don't involve magic, do they?
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 11:23am
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Yes, sort of
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squire
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Jun 25 2009, 12:32pm
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There are some similarities, and some crucial differences.
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 1:18pm
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Is magic always supernatural?
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sador
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Jun 25 2009, 1:36pm
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It's been a while
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 1:46pm
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Assumption
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Dreamdeer
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Jun 25 2009, 4:32pm
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*breaking promise to stay out* I'm still going with my UUT
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jun 24 2009, 8:33pm
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Was Brig ever built on a lake?//
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 11:16am
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That was addressed in the Movie board link
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jun 25 2009, 6:44pm
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Bard as Wiglaf
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dernwyn
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Jun 25 2009, 3:58am
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So what did he tell his children?
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Curious
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Jun 25 2009, 5:04am
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Good question!
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dernwyn
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Jun 26 2009, 3:44am
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Thoughts.
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Curious
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Jun 27 2009, 12:44am
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I like your answer
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FarFromHome
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Jun 28 2009, 9:43pm
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Yes, many people don't realize
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Curious
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Jun 29 2009, 7:17am
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Are they? The things I learn here! //
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sador
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Jun 29 2009, 7:25am
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In God we trust / All others pay cash
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squire
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Jun 29 2009, 10:44am
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That's why I didn't capitalize it.
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Curious
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Jun 29 2009, 1:18pm
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My t-shirt says: "In God we trust. All others we polygraph." //
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jun 29 2009, 4:01pm
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I like how Tolkien would introduce
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grammaboodawg
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Jul 4 2009, 2:37am
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The problem is not so much the new character
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sador
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Jul 5 2009, 12:07pm
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