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The problem is not so much the new character

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Jul 5 2009, 12:07pm


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The problem is not so much the new character [In reply to] Can't Post

As the new concept. Dain is also new, but we do know Thorin has cousins, friends and relatives somewhere.
On the other hand, we have heard a lot of Girion and Dale, and hear Smaug boast about his destroying it, and we hear about it in Esgaroth with no mention of survivors - and all of a sudden, it goes like: "Gee, you know, we forgot to tell you Girion's wife and daughter did escape, and actually some of Smaug's treasure is rightfully theirs".

Now seen from Bilbo's point of view, this seems reasonable enough, as he might not know about this - however, he does say later he knew Bard well, which he would't if Bard was just an attendant; so this does seem a but like cheating the reader.
So it goes against storytelling conventions, which I don't mind much; but it leaves a taste of 'Shouldn't we have been told of this before?'

"We may not understand him, but that old bird understands us, I am sure." - Balin.

Subject User Time
Fire and Water -- the story of Bard. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 23 2009, 5:51pm
    answers? Disa Send a private message to Disa Jun 23 2009, 10:18pm
        You've triggered a thought. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 24 2009, 5:54am
        Hmm. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 5:20pm
            Pirates Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 24 2009, 8:17pm
                Yes, but was that in PoTC 1? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 8:24pm
                    In a sense, yes. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 24 2009, 8:30pm
                        That seemed more like mutiny Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 9:02pm
                            I didn't say it was a peaceable democracy. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 25 2009, 3:32am
                                The demos always chooses in the end. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 25 2009, 3:00pm
            further explanation Disa Send a private message to Disa Jun 25 2009, 4:41am
        Hello! GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Jun 24 2009, 5:38pm
            hello 2u2! Disa Send a private message to Disa Jun 25 2009, 5:31am
                MIckey's Okay. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 25 2009, 4:22pm
                    ok, we'll agree to dissagree. Disa Send a private message to Disa Jun 26 2009, 4:07am
                        You do have a point. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 26 2009, 4:28am
    Dragonslayer GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Jun 23 2009, 11:05pm
        Hmm. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 5:44pm
            Reluctant Answeres GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Jun 25 2009, 12:43am
                Answering your questions. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 1:38am
    Well, I Better..... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 23 2009, 11:24pm
        Hmm. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 7:01pm
    wowzers...this looks like a lot of questions... batik Send a private message to batik Jun 24 2009, 2:52am
        mayor...master...miney-mo... batik Send a private message to batik Jun 24 2009, 3:24am
        Hmm. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 9:51pm
            here's Bard... batik Send a private message to batik Jun 26 2009, 6:04am
    A few thoughts Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 24 2009, 6:05am
        Except that they hadn't! Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 9:06pm
    Laketown democracy Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jun 24 2009, 7:32am
        The latter is more likely. And cynics Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 24 2009, 9:55pm
            And idealists squire Send a private message to squire Jun 25 2009, 1:47am
                Not Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 10:47am
                    Itís not the same thing squire Send a private message to squire Jun 25 2009, 12:18pm
                        It wasn't clear to me Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 1:10pm
    A light from the shadows shall spring FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 24 2009, 8:57am
        What do you have in mind? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 11:12am
            I suppose I was thinking of Davy Crockett... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 25 2009, 3:17pm
                It's a Wonderful Life is a fairy tale, but Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 3:36pm
                    Hmmm. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 25 2009, 3:58pm
                        Maybe it goes back to Owen Barfield's theory Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 4:27pm
                            I think you're missing a third option. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 25 2009, 8:30pm
                                Is idealism dead? squire Send a private message to squire Jun 26 2009, 12:49am
                                    Best thing you ever wrote, Squire! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 26 2009, 4:26am
                                    You're quite right. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 26 2009, 8:31am
                                    Is a system full of checks and balances idealistic? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 26 2009, 11:26am
                                        I'm not sure what the question is anymore squire Send a private message to squire Jun 26 2009, 12:23pm
                                            Is Superman a democratic fairy tale? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 26 2009, 2:05pm
                                                Comic books are fantasy Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 26 2009, 4:01pm
                                                    They aren't hard science fiction, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 26 2009, 4:34pm
                You have answered it! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 25 2009, 4:41pm
                    How democratic is Harry Potter's world? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 5:15pm
                        I have to agree. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 25 2009, 7:59pm
                            Rowling firmly rejects race Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 8:32pm
                                Of course. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 25 2009, 8:56pm
                                    I just wanted to point out an important distinction Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 26 2009, 2:49pm
                                        Wizarding Genetics Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 26 2009, 4:08pm
                                            That's a possibility, I'll admit. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 26 2009, 4:44pm
                                                More wizarding genetics Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 26 2009, 7:02pm
                                                    I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 26 2009, 7:46pm
    A few answers sador Send a private message to sador Jun 24 2009, 11:04am
        Interesting, about Obama, Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 24 2009, 4:48pm
        Rags-to-riches stories don't involve magic, do they? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 11:23am
            Yes, sort of squire Send a private message to squire Jun 25 2009, 12:32pm
                There are some similarities, and some crucial differences. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 1:18pm
                    Is magic always supernatural? sador Send a private message to sador Jun 25 2009, 1:36pm
                        It's been a while Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 1:46pm
                        Assumption Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 25 2009, 4:32pm
    *breaking promise to stay out* I'm still going with my UUT Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Jun 24 2009, 8:33pm
        Was Brig ever built on a lake?// Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 11:16am
            That was addressed in the Movie board link Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Jun 25 2009, 6:44pm
    Bard as Wiglaf dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 25 2009, 3:58am
        So what did he tell his children? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 25 2009, 5:04am
            Good question! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 26 2009, 3:44am
    Thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 27 2009, 12:44am
        I like your answer FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 28 2009, 9:43pm
            Yes, many people don't realize Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 29 2009, 7:17am
                Are they? The things I learn here! // sador Send a private message to sador Jun 29 2009, 7:25am
                In God we trust / All others pay cash squire Send a private message to squire Jun 29 2009, 10:44am
                    That's why I didn't capitalize it. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 29 2009, 1:18pm
                    My t-shirt says: "In God we trust. All others we polygraph." // Eowyn of Penns Woods Send a private message to Eowyn of Penns Woods Jun 29 2009, 4:01pm
    I like how Tolkien would introduce grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jul 4 2009, 2:37am
        The problem is not so much the new character sador Send a private message to sador Jul 5 2009, 12:07pm

 
 
 

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