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Curious
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Jun 11 2009, 3:56pm


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can even write fan fiction from that perspective. But I find it very hard to read the story this narrator wrote while imagining that he is lying to us.

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Tolkien at UVM Istar Indigo Send a private message to Istar Indigo Jun 1 2009, 12:36am
    Thanks much for keeping this up-to-date. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 1 2009, 1:35am
        I have an important reason to hijack this thread.... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jun 1 2009, 2:08am
            *snickers* He did try to sneak it by us... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 1 2009, 2:26am
                Glad you were on the look out for him... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jun 1 2009, 3:06am
            I'm crashing the RR just to join in these congrats Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jun 1 2009, 2:00pm
        Huh? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 1 2009, 7:32am
            Well, they do have children. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 1 2009, 4:23pm
                OF Course Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 1 2009, 6:52pm
                    Pedantic grammar point. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 1 2009, 8:03pm
                        I Wish Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 1 2009, 9:24pm
                        I'd go further than that. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 2 2009, 9:45am
                            That's going too far, I judge. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 10:42am
                                How do you know? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 2 2009, 11:38am
                                    I know there is no mention of Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 12:59pm
                                        I'm sure you're right. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 2 2009, 3:15pm
                                            LotR is a feigned history, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 3:42pm
                                                Good point. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 2 2009, 5:05pm
                                                    Tolkien seems to have had a firm grasp Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 5:36pm
                                        ****Caution: Naughty Word**** Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 2 2009, 9:02pm
                                            Oh thank you! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 2 2009, 9:15pm
                                            Good catch! But I'm not sure what it proves. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 10:49pm
                                                Actually, the "her" is Shelob, not Ungoliant Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 2 2009, 11:57pm
                                                    I don't see why Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 3 2009, 12:12am
                                                        Because it says that her mates were her own offspring Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jun 3 2009, 1:09am
                                                            No, that makes sense.// Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 3 2009, 1:15am
                                                It proves... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 3 2009, 9:59pm
                                Blonde Gamgees Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 7:09pm
                                    That's an plausible theory, but it's only a theory. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 7 2009, 9:00am
                                        That sounds much too hard-edged for Tolkien... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 7 2009, 10:33am
                                            Hints and allegations squire Send a private message to squire Jun 7 2009, 3:19pm
                                                Yes, I agree. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 7 2009, 4:24pm
                                                    Middle-earth isn't idealized? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 7 2009, 11:08pm
                                                        This is really the nub... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 8 2009, 10:02am
                                                            I'm glad you agree the stories are idealized, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 10:39am
                                                                I think I see. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 8 2009, 12:01pm
                                                                    One last quibble. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 1:47pm
                                                                        To answer your quibble... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 8 2009, 2:43pm
                                                                            And the Akallabeth? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 3:06pm
                                                                                Atheists in Atlantis Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 3:57pm
                                                                                    So, if you think Sauron was lying, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 5:34pm
                                                                                How about legend? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 8 2009, 4:16pm
                                                                                    Point of clarification. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 5:41pm
                                                                                        Now you're putting... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 8 2009, 6:45pm
                                                                                            No, I was just asking. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 7:34pm
                                                                        There's always a way to explain Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 3:50pm
                                                                            But the elves are immortal. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 5:31pm
                                                                                Nope, not me. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 6:06pm
                                                                                    But in the Silmarillion, the atheists Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 6:41pm
                                                                                        And how does that differ from the Bible, exactly? Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 10:57pm
                                                                                            But it is not plausible for Tolkien's readers Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 9 2009, 1:45pm
                                                                                                Experience says otherwise Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 9 2009, 6:16pm
                                                                                                    But is it plausible that any reader Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 9 2009, 9:29pm
                                                                                                        It is possible, although there’s no way to know for sure. GaladrielTX Send a private message to GaladrielTX Jun 9 2009, 11:26pm
                                                                                                        An entire subculture Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 11 2009, 12:08am
                                                                                                            Yes, but they don't think the narrator is lying Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 11 2009, 5:18am
                                                                                                                Some have said... Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 11 2009, 3:52pm
                                                                                                                    We can speculate, of course. We Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 11 2009, 3:56pm
                                                                                But the elves FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 8 2009, 6:54pm
                                                                Realism and Fantasy Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 3:42pm
                                                                    Appendices and Fantasy Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 8 2009, 4:21pm
                                                                    I take a different approach. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 5:26pm
                                                                        I think I am miscast Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 6:01pm
                                                                            So you know it when you see it? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 8 2009, 6:37pm
                                                                                What are we talking about, exactly? Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 10:43pm
                                                                                    Idealized characters are not necessarily flawless. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 9 2009, 1:42pm
                                                                                        Closer to agreement Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 9 2009, 6:12pm
                                                                                            You meant Luthien, didn't you? sador Send a private message to sador Jun 9 2009, 6:20pm
                                                                                                Doesn't prove it Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 9 2009, 6:30pm
                                                                                                    D'oh! I missed the most important part! sador Send a private message to sador Jun 10 2009, 5:51am
                                                                                                        Maeglin Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 11 2009, 12:11am
                                                                                            I'm going out on a limb when I theorize Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 9 2009, 9:25pm
                                            I don't reject your theory. Do you reject mine? Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 7 2009, 7:50pm
                                        Not Bilbo! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 7 2009, 9:31pm
                                            "Frankly, I think the Ring would have interfered with any kind of romance in his life." squire Send a private message to squire Jun 7 2009, 10:20pm
                                                Um...misunderstanding Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 8 2009, 2:08am
                            Ummm... Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 6:58pm
                                Well, not exactly... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 6 2009, 9:04pm
            Have you read N.E.B.'s report? sador Send a private message to sador Jun 2 2009, 5:05am
                Again.... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 2 2009, 6:16am
                I see Bilbo and Frodo's bachelorhood as a price they pay Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 1:17pm
                    plug for the UVM class reading! kejensenuvm Send a private message to kejensenuvm Jun 7 2009, 3:06am
                        Tolkien seems to go out of his way Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 7 2009, 9:15am
                        Good point. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 7 2009, 5:27pm
                Fanfic, gender studies, and Timmons on hobbit sensuality Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Jun 2 2009, 6:42pm
                    One quibble. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 2 2009, 7:21pm
                    SEX! *hush!* ok, sex. squire Send a private message to squire Jun 2 2009, 10:03pm
                        Of Course Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 2 2009, 10:50pm
                            One Incident Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 3 2009, 7:48pm
                                Yes, but Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 3 2009, 8:13pm
                                    Not Sure Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 3 2009, 9:13pm
                                    I would assume that depends on his master plan Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jun 3 2009, 9:24pm
                                You know, I could argue even with that sador Send a private message to sador Jun 4 2009, 7:11am
                                    I Think Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 4 2009, 2:05pm
            Hobbit sex Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 2 2009, 9:21pm
                Yes. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 3 2009, 10:06am
                    breathing, eating, working, begetting...and a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jun 3 2009, 11:07am
                        A thought on your 'tangent'... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 3 2009, 11:28am
                        Yes, older fairy stories are often sensual. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 3 2009, 12:48pm
                        Rising to the challenge Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 7:29pm
        Thanks and Congrats! Istar Indigo Send a private message to Istar Indigo Jun 1 2009, 4:44pm
        Your innocent post Pryderi Send a private message to Pryderi Jun 3 2009, 1:28am
            A preposition is something you shouldn't end a sentence with. / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 3 2009, 3:07am
                Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put. / Atlas Send a private message to Atlas Jun 8 2009, 2:18am
            UVM students -- don't be shy, jump right in! N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 3 2009, 3:59am
                Thanks to all who replied to me and ok I will "chime in" Pryderi Send a private message to Pryderi Jun 3 2009, 9:51pm
                    I read an extensive analysis of The Hobbit along those lines once squire Send a private message to squire Jun 3 2009, 10:24pm
                        In answer to your question: No We Can't.// Pryderi Send a private message to Pryderi Jun 3 2009, 11:12pm
                    That's a very interesting theory. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 3 2009, 11:36pm
                    Don't Buy It Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 4 2009, 12:42am
                        Even when it's on sale? Cheap? squire Send a private message to squire Jun 4 2009, 1:17am
                            Been Here Before Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 4 2009, 3:48am
                                Horse liberation! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 7:52pm
                                    Thank you Dreamdeer Pryderi Send a private message to Pryderi Jun 6 2009, 10:45pm
                            And Tolkien certainly recognized such symbolism in other stories. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jun 4 2009, 2:00pm
                                But not his own squire Send a private message to squire Jun 7 2009, 9:16pm
                        Projection is certainly a danger. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 4 2009, 7:38am
                        Archetypes aren't allegories Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 7:49pm
                    The feminine without the female. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 4 2009, 9:22am
                        Not Done Yet Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 4 2009, 2:17pm
                            Well, you know how it is... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jun 5 2009, 7:41am
                            I have staunch faith in heterosexual friendships Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 8:01pm
                                Online.... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jun 7 2009, 5:44pm
                    Interesting premise! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Jun 6 2009, 7:40pm
            might as well try to stop the wind, as try to stop the RR when a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jun 3 2009, 10:50am
            You can talk with the admins about it on Feedback. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jun 3 2009, 1:08pm

 
 
 

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