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Bad guys and timeline


Oct 7 2008, 5:11pm

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We’ve all read about the gentle hobbits, the beautiful and wise elves along with the steadfast noble men. Everyone has discussed what realms they’d like to see more of and who should play this or that good character. I’d really like to see how much time they’ll put into creating the “bad guy” characters; from what they look like, to where they live, to how they interact, whether it’s purely barbaric and evil, or is there humor. What is their social structure like? It seems like a strict hierarchy as the one goblin guard says to his leader, “Oh truly tremendous one.”
I prefer to see good overcome evil, but I would hate to see the Goblin armies comprised of the Misty and Grey mountain clans heading into battle without allowing me the viewer a clear understanding of why. This is an army that has severe hatred of the dwarves since their defeat from their last war with them, and then the slaying of the “Great Goblin.”
A user named “Haltiamieli” suggested that Ron Perlman play the role of Bolg. I agree with that person completely, but why have an actor of his ability if the writers give to him a meager role? We have many heroes and know their stories. We need a reason for them to bring in Beorn. Taking out a scripted, well established Orc chieftain bad guy would give additional credence to have a bigger than life good guy like Beorn.
Here’s my question to you all. How much time should the writers give to establishing the Goblin/Orc realm and its leaders and how do you perceive that time affecting the flow of the Hobbit and the continuance into the second film?

Grey Havens

Oct 7 2008, 5:21pm

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I think there has always been enough time spent on the "bad guys". I'm sure they will be as careful developing the bad characters now as they were in LOTR. After all, Tolkien wrote a story about the good guys, the heroes, I don't want the script writers to turn it into an epic story of the evil. In the books there are descriptions and some hints of the life of the bad guys but the time Tolkien spent developing them is still less than the time h espent on the good guys. I expect the same from the script writers. I find the job they did for LOTR absolutely great - the bad guys were very realistic.
One thing I don't want is the flow of the book to be interrupted by newly invented moments - either about the good or the bad guys. So, for me following the book and its content will be quite enough. As about F2 - I don't see any need for the team to spend more time on developing bad guys except those who will be new characters for the viewer. I don't want to watch the same descriptions about orcs, goblins, balrogs or anyone else again and again. Moria was also described already. may be they can make comments on it as it will be at earlier time but it shouldn't be extensive. Dol Guldur is another story - there they can let their imagination fly Cool
As about developing places, kingdoms, keeps - I think there is no doubt PJ and GDT will create another fantastic world, both good and bad.

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