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Well I am eager for the return of Saruman, and Mr. Lee, and long for the White Coucil

AinurOlorin
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Oct 13 2008, 3:47am


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Well I am eager for the return of Saruman, and Mr. Lee, and long for the White Coucil [In reply to] Can't Post

And for scenes involving all its Known members, and I especially hope to see Glorfindel (again, the Elf standing behind Elrond in the Minas Tirith wedding sequence. That IS Glorfindel).

I look forward to the Siege of Dol Guldur, in which some of Saruman's devices were used, but also the connatural magic of the Wizards. One thing I very much hope Del Toro will do more of than Jackson did is allowing Gandalf to display his magical talents. Tolkien did not overdo it, but he certainly made it clear that Gandalf could blast the roof of a place in a pinch, in a brillatine flash of blue flame and lightning, and he did not need powders to do it. I think Jackson did some Disservice to The Gray Wanderer, and I hope the Hobbit films make up for it, right down to finding an equivalent of Gandalf's battle with the Nine atop Amon Sul.

I will also add my agreement that Gandalf never was a pupil of Saruman. It was not a master and padawan relationship. They came into Middle Earth at around the same time, but they did not come together, and very little of Gandalf's lore, save some information on the Rings of Power, and certainly none of his magical knowledge came from Saruman. Indeed, Galadriel explicitly stated that she had asked that Gandalf head The Council of The Wise, though he refused, and Cirdan entrusted his Elf Ring to The Gray messenger, in whom he perceived the greater wisdom and power. Indeed, these things factored heavily into Saruman's budding ill will and jealousy towards his kinsman. . . kinsWizard. . .kinsAngel. . . you understand.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Saruman as Gandalf's mentor in Film 1 and as Head of the Council at Film 2 Michael X Send a private message to Michael X Oct 5 2008, 1:47pm
    something along those lines MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Oct 5 2008, 7:07pm
    Some disagreements simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Oct 5 2008, 10:10pm
        WHAT IF MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Oct 6 2008, 12:01am
        Ok Michael X Send a private message to Michael X Oct 6 2008, 7:49pm
            The Hobbit should not be changed at all simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Oct 7 2008, 4:21am
                Dol Guldur MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Oct 7 2008, 8:51am
                    I'm talking about some battle in Dol Guldur simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Oct 7 2008, 5:10pm
                        yes but MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Oct 8 2008, 12:53am
                            Dol Guldur Michael X Send a private message to Michael X Oct 9 2008, 9:21pm
                                I'm in the middle of it, thanks for the reference // simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Oct 9 2008, 10:13pm
                                Well I am eager for the return of Saruman, and Mr. Lee, and long for the White Coucil AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 13 2008, 3:47am

 
 
 

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