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Catholic Mythology

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Jul 26 2008, 5:52pm


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I went to Catholic school in the 50s ...... Yes I am that old. In reading Tolkien (didn't know he was Catholic by the way), I was struck not by parallels in LoTRs, but in his creation mythology. (Now I recognize that this is not "Catholic" or "Christian", but it is at the root of the teachings I was exposed to, and I would assume Tolkien was exposed to). The idea of a supreme being "up there" with "angels"; the rebellion of one of the "angels" and him being cast out and taking a group of angels with him; their settling on "earth" and being given dominion over it; the striving of those in "heaven" and those "down below" over the souls of man; the attempts by the "fallen ones" to control and corrupt the minds, souls, and fate of men; the concept that men were bound to the earth until the earth was destroyed at which point mankind would be raised to live eternally in "heaven" as replacements for the "fallen angels" who would be destroyed along with the earth. In addition, these men, once raised would join in the "heavenly" chorus for all eternity. All of this is consistent with my teachings in Catholic school. Now I don't know if Tolkien intentionally or unintentially built this parallel in his creation mythology, but it seems consistent to me.

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Christian Symbolism in LOTR arphen Send a private message to arphen Jul 22 2008, 12:16am
    Oh dear...JRRT generally... ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 22 2008, 2:23am
        Tolkien: "Gandalf is an angel". N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 22 2008, 2:46am
            Is that a quote? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 22 2008, 3:51pm
                Yes, I think so. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 22 2008, 6:51pm
                    Wizards=Angels FantasyFan Send a private message to FantasyFan Jul 22 2008, 8:25pm
                        That must be it. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 22 2008, 9:03pm
                            Thanks, FF and NEB FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 22 2008, 9:23pm
                                There is more in the letter FantasyFan Send a private message to FantasyFan Jul 22 2008, 11:25pm
                                    Decifer please... Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 4:10am
                                        It's all greek to me... FantasyFan Send a private message to FantasyFan Jul 23 2008, 1:11pm
                                            and all the choirs of angels a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 1:45pm
                                                Huh? ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 23 2008, 3:19pm
                                                    The nuns never taught me this either! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 23 2008, 4:39pm
                                                        Patron saints FantasyFan Send a private message to FantasyFan Jul 23 2008, 6:54pm
                                                        My incarderation -erm - education was from '58-70. ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 23 2008, 9:13pm
                                                            roughly the same time frame, then! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 11:01pm
                                                                Lol, I don't think you're crazy. ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 24 2008, 5:53am
                                                                Nice! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 24 2008, 10:49am
                                                    Jesuits, schmezuits...LOL a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 7:46pm
                                        Wasn't Decifer the co-star of I Love Lucifer? L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Jul 23 2008, 6:37pm
                                            No, he's the one that makes computer games. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 23 2008, 7:27pm
                                                This is Aquifer son of Conifer. You owe him your allergies./ L. Ron Halfelven Send a private message to L. Ron Halfelven Jul 23 2008, 10:16pm
                                            That's funny! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 24 2008, 2:31am
        It may be semantics... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 22 2008, 8:30pm
    "Obviously, Aragorn/Jesus." N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 22 2008, 2:47am
        About Aragorn/Jesus and Satan/Sauron... arphen Send a private message to arphen Jul 22 2008, 3:38pm
            Hmmm... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jul 22 2008, 4:09pm
            I would have thought Frodo was the Christ figure Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 22 2008, 6:45pm
                Several characters have could fit the Christ figure image. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 22 2008, 8:33pm
                    another way to see it Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 6:03am
                        Beowulf, Tolkien and LOTR ArathornJax Send a private message to ArathornJax Jul 23 2008, 7:20am
                            Exactly! Well said. // Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 23 2008, 7:32am
                            Exactly! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 8:46am
                                My experience Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 23 2008, 4:45pm
                                    My experience. Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Jul 23 2008, 7:12pm
                                        I think Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 23 2008, 7:54pm
                                    That is... Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 24 2008, 2:41am
                                        to Clarify... Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 24 2008, 3:12am
                            well Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 24 2008, 3:38pm
    see link inside... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 22 2008, 2:53am
    You won't find them... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 22 2008, 7:19am
        Erm...actually... ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 22 2008, 7:28pm
            Quite right. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 22 2008, 7:34pm
            Sorry... that's what I get Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jul 23 2008, 6:53am
    Here is a pretty heavy discussion from the old boards hatster Send a private message to hatster Jul 22 2008, 10:30am
    some links a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 22 2008, 11:55am
        loved that old RR link and the Buddhist nun too! weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 22 2008, 12:57pm
            I love this! Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jul 22 2008, 3:28pm
                true Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 22 2008, 6:41pm
                    LOTR seems a classic quest tale... ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 22 2008, 7:53pm
    Tolkien's view orcbane Jul 22 2008, 12:53pm
        Quite true... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jul 22 2008, 2:02pm
            Very nice! // FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 22 2008, 2:44pm
            mods up! weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 22 2008, 3:21pm
            a piece of the puzzle and not the whole a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 22 2008, 6:30pm
                Certainly... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jul 22 2008, 7:42pm
                    yes, I agree a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 1:55am
                But 'viaticum' FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 22 2008, 9:11pm
                    yes, but no a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 2:21am
                        Well, I like the idea FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 23 2008, 5:21pm
                            Just as the New Year's Day a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 7:50pm
                                1752 Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 23 2008, 8:02pm
                                I think it's the other way around... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 23 2008, 8:43pm
                                    NIFTY!!! you are so smart a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 23 2008, 10:40pm
                                    That's got to be Tolkien's own little joke! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jul 23 2008, 11:49pm
                                        Tom Shippey thinks so. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 24 2008, 12:43am
                                            yes, that's what I said a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 24 2008, 12:46am
                                                Can you explain... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 24 2008, 10:39am
                                                    ROTFL!! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 24 2008, 4:43pm
                                                    I highly doubt it! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 25 2008, 1:15am
                                                        Good Friday Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 25 2008, 4:26am
                                                            Thank you! // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 25 2008, 4:44am
                                                            thanks!!! And I found this: a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 25 2008, 11:19am
                                                                "Integral years" Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 25 2008, 3:33pm
                                                                    my footer is becoming very apt, in this thread a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 25 2008, 4:37pm
                                                                I checked the Shippey reference FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 25 2008, 8:09pm
                                                                    Very cool indeed! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 26 2008, 3:32am
                                                                        some of us will discuss minutiae no matter the room! :-) a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jul 26 2008, 2:31pm
                                                                    Catholic Mythology shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Jul 26 2008, 5:52pm
                                                So you did! N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jul 24 2008, 12:38pm
            'synthesizer' Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 5:09am
    I am not a Christian Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 22 2008, 3:10pm
        I have a problem with that aspect of Tolkien, too... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 22 2008, 3:20pm
            The one thing in LOTR that always... RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Jul 22 2008, 8:38pm
        I don't think the "long defeat" FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jul 22 2008, 3:41pm
            I think, though... Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Jul 22 2008, 5:47pm
        Not a Christian either Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 22 2008, 7:30pm
            *mods up* Lunamoth Send a private message to Lunamoth Jul 22 2008, 7:44pm
            I think you've hit upon the heart of it. ShadoFaxs Send a private message to ShadoFaxs Jul 22 2008, 9:05pm
            What she said. Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Jul 22 2008, 9:52pm
        No time for titles orcbane Jul 22 2008, 8:41pm
            Spirituality and Religion Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 5:36am
                Learn that poem orcbane Jul 23 2008, 1:09pm
                    My Mistake! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 24 2008, 2:27am
                        What a great quote! Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 24 2008, 4:03am
                            individuals who contain universals Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 24 2008, 5:08am
                                Has anyone seen Tolkien ? orcbane Jul 24 2008, 11:48am
                                    What are you Tolkien about? ;) // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jul 24 2008, 2:00pm
                                        I'm not sure, I think he may have misTolkien...// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 2:06pm
                                            What is all this Tolkien about what is Tolkien Tolkien about ? orcbane Jul 24 2008, 2:37pm
                                                I don't know...so I'm Tolkien the next train out of here.../// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 2:38pm
                                                    Don't forget your Tolkien orcbane Jul 24 2008, 2:39pm
                                                        I better get mine soon, then, for the trains, JRR-riving soon.../// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 2:49pm
                                                            Hijacking heck...I'm Tolkien dereuelment :) orcbane Jul 24 2008, 3:05pm
                                                                not to worry, Edith that last week, too.../// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 3:20pm
                                                                    You guys are getting Pri-scilly! // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jul 24 2008, 3:25pm
                                                                        Mabel we are, and Mabel we aren't..// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 3:28pm
                                                                            You guys are so unReuely! // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jul 24 2008, 3:49pm
                                                                                Tolkien Reuelz orcbane Jul 24 2008, 4:15pm
                                                                                    Ronald kinds of levels!// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 4:29pm
                                                                                The JRRy's out on that one. // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jul 24 2008, 4:33pm
                                                                                    Gramma, you're so tol-Keen! // Arwen's daughter Send a private message to Arwen's daughter Jul 24 2008, 4:59pm
                                                                                        ...she makes Suffield so happy whenever she's around...// weaver Send a private message to weaver Jul 24 2008, 5:47pm
        I see what you're saying about his pessimistic attitude ... Elven Send a private message to Elven Jul 23 2008, 9:53am
            Very interesting! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 24 2008, 3:21am
                You're welcome DoN :-D // Elven Send a private message to Elven Jul 24 2008, 11:29am
            heh Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 24 2008, 3:29pm
    Tolkien also said Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 22 2008, 11:22pm
        Well said! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 5:42am
            Conciseness Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 23 2008, 7:29am
                And apperently good at decifering! Daughter of Nienna Send a private message to Daughter of Nienna Jul 23 2008, 8:24am
                Heh Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 23 2008, 2:51pm
                    If only Aerin Send a private message to Aerin Jul 23 2008, 4:31pm
                        I used to tell the scientists Annael Send a private message to Annael Jul 24 2008, 3:41pm

 
 
 

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