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The numbers after the first episode has aired will show us how big fans and general audience really is

Victariongreyjoy
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Aug 15, 9:27pm

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If the viewership in some incredible ways tank and below even Wheel of Time, then I guess I was wrong and this show has a lot of people against it. But if it breaks record for any Prime series and even their biggest competitor House of the Dragon, then the Tolkien fandom is just a loud minority.


DGHCaretaker
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Aug 16, 12:52am

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Popular opinion may not be so fast. Only fickle network executives determine whether a show is successful within several episodes. It has taken Dr. Who several seasons to descend from ~11m viewers to ~3.4m with the damage they've done. Game of Thrones took eight years to make repeat viewing and home media worthless. Wheel of Time has been excoriated by fans of faithful adaptations. I don't know the ratings there but graphs show a steady decline as the sample goes up, which seems to become apparent only after seven episodes.


sharku
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Aug 16, 3:43am

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then the Tolkien fandom is just a loud minority.


A certain segment of the self proclaimed fandom. There are those of us who have been reading the books for many years, who enjoyed the PJ movies (maybe less so the Hobbit), and count ourselves as Tolkien fans. Part therefore, of the Tolkien fandom.

However, I do *not* count myself alongside others, such as Nerdrotic et al. I posit that there are a large number of the Tolkien fandom who are a silent majority, in addition to the vocal minority.


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Silvered-glass
Rivendell

Aug 16, 5:56am

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The numbers would have to come from Amazon. Amazon has a vested interest in making their very expensive show come across as a success, no matter the actual reception. They will make a press release about big numbers even if the show is a huge failure.


Archestratie
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Aug 16, 9:33am

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The numbers would have to come from Amazon. Amazon has a vested interest in making their very expensive show come across as a success, no matter the actual reception. They will make a press release about big numbers even if the show is a huge failure.


Nielson, among other organizations, track hours watched from the major streaming services each week. They're a little slow to release their numbers, but a couple weeks after the first episode, we'll have a pretty strong indication of how many people watched it.

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DGHCaretaker
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Aug 16, 11:04am

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...how many people watched it.


I'm more interested in their collective opinions and reaction in a large percentage sample than their numbers. Lots of gawkers show up for accidents regardless. Will the series be forgettable as they cling to hope that maybe the next episode will be good? Do the dropped and retained audiences value faithful adaptations, or don't care at all?


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Arannir
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Aug 16, 1:37pm

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Isn't the only upside to Amazon that the continuation of the series is pretty much guaranteed, even if reception, reviews and audience (doubt we will see numbers unless they are stellar) is mediocre or bad?

I think RoP will run to the end. It is too big to fail - especially reputation wise - for Amazon.



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



Silvered-glass
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Aug 16, 5:35pm

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Now that we learn that the premiere will be two hour-long episodes released at the same time, it will be much easier for RoP to make it to Nielsen's Top 10 based on minutes viewed and even reach the top of the chart. I wonder if the decision to release to episodes at once was due to charting considerations. Now Amazon can be #1 on the first week with half the unique viewership they would have needed otherwise. They also have the advantage of longer than standard-length episodes.


Eledhwen
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Aug 16, 5:46pm

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Look at how many millions went to see the films in cinemas - how many of them would really count themselves as "fans" in the way many of us do? I'd guess a tiny proportion. As fans, we live in a fandom bubble, interacting with other fans and obsessing about details in a way the majority really don't. The majority will go "hey, I quite enjoyed LOTR in the cinema, maybe I'll give this thing on Prime a shot". And then they'll stick with it, or they won't.

Fans can occasionally make a show survive (cf Lucifer, and I'd lay a bet that the #SaveDaredevil campaign has had something to do with Disney's decision to resurrect that show (woop) but I think RoP is starting from a different place, what with the $$$$$$ behind it.

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Archestratie
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Aug 16, 8:45pm

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Now that we learn that the premiere will be two hour-long episodes released at the same time, it will be much easier for RoP to make it to Nielsen's Top 10 based on minutes viewed and even reach the top of the chart. I wonder if the decision to release to episodes at once was due to charting considerations. Now Amazon can be #1 on the first week with half the unique viewership they would have needed otherwise. They also have the advantage of longer than standard-length episodes.


We heard a lot that they filmed the first two episodes simultaneously. There was even one rumor that they were a two-parter, so it makes sense that Amazon would start with two. Or, at least, it is consistent with those rumors.

My Low-Magic Fantasy Novel on eBook/hardback: The Huntsman and the She-Wolf

The Huntsman and the She-Wolf on audio Book.


Stranger Wings
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Aug 16, 9:47pm

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Now that we learn that the premiere will be two hour-long episodes released at the same time, it will be much easier for RoP to make it to Nielsen's Top 10 based on minutes viewed and even reach the top of the chart. I wonder if the decision to release to episodes at once was due to charting considerations. Now Amazon can be #1 on the first week with half the unique viewership they would have needed otherwise. They also have the advantage of longer than standard-length episodes.


We heard a lot that they filmed the first two episodes simultaneously. There was even one rumor that they were a two-parter, so it makes sense that Amazon would start with two. Or, at least, it is consistent with those rumors.


...it means they won't compete for viewers on the day the finale of House of the Dragon is released...

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