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diedye
Grey Havens


May 19 2008, 3:15am

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CANNES '08 BIZ DAILY

by Brian Brooks, Peter Knegt, and Jenny Sung (May 18, 2008)


A New Day For MGM

MGM's new chairperson Mary Parent, who joined the company eight weeks go, sat down with Harry Sloan, MGM's chairman & CEO, for a conversation as part of the American Pavilion's ongoing series of panels and events. A ten-minute highlight reel focusing on MGM's rather stunning collection of films (its library has more than 4,000 films, twice as many as any other company) started things off, with moderator and Variety editor Tim Gray introducing the company as one "with a lot of misconceptions and a lot of curiosity."

While those suggestions remain true far back into Hollywood history, Parent and Sloan represent a very new MGM. Sloan joined the company in 2005, during the ill-fated take over of MGM by Sony (which Sloan attributes to a subtext involving Sony trying to push BluRay DVDs, which MGM's massive library assisted in). "Ultimately MGM needed to stand on its own," said Sloan. "We needed to go into original production. Films like 'The Hobbit' are immense opportunities."

Parent was brought in to help oversee this overhaul. "It's a once in a lifetime opportunity," Parent said of her new job. "It was an opportunity to create a creative environment that is really focused." A longtime producer, Parent's vision for MGM intends to come into full focus by its 2010 slate, with 8-12 original productions from MGM itself, another 5 from its partner company United Artists, and 4 or 5 acquisitions. The titles will be themed "across the board," said Parent. "And the [MGM] library is a treasure chest. There is a great deal to pull."

For MGM, among those is a continuation of Bond and Pink Panther sequels, an announced remake of "Fame" and a not-yet-announced remake of "RoboCop," possibly in 3-D. "'RoboCop" would be great in 3-D, as would something we're hoping to announce soon," said Parent. This also includes "The Hobbit," which will be filmed in two parts released in 2011 and 2012, and maybe more after. "There's 80 years between the end of 'The Hobbit' and the beginning of 'The Lord of the Rings,'" said Sloan. "Think of the franchise." One other idea MGM was toying with was more "Rocky" films. Parent asked for a show of hands from the audience who might be in to that. Though there were a few very enthusiastic responses, many kept quiet

There's also MGM's deal with United Artists, run by Tom Cruise and Paula Wagner (an independent production house that's films are exclusively distributed through MGM). This most famously includes "Valkyrie," which despite bad buzz, Parent and Sloan insist otherwise. "The film will speak for itself," said Parent. Sloan compared the bad press to that of "Casino Royale" and "Rocky" and seemed quite optimistic. He also seemed to have full faith in Parent. "Mary has not only energized MGM but has given the whole town something to talk about," he said. [Peter Knegt]

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Elven
Valinor


May 19 2008, 4:01am

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Un unexpected conspiracy .. errr ... series ... party ... thingy ... [In reply to] Can't Post

errm ... so they're looking to secure more than what they have at the moment?
Did any one tell Christopher about this? Wink

Oiye! I'd better start saving ... and possibly buy another DVD shelving unit ..


Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



Ataahua
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May 19 2008, 4:29am

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"Think of the franchise." [In reply to] Can't Post

There's an example of money being more important than literary heritage right there.

*grrrr*

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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weaver
Half-elven

May 19 2008, 4:41am

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that really bothered me, too... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's just feels all wrong...

If they could get their hands on the Sil, or other works by Tolkien, and do them right, ok. But I'd still want the franchise to be based on wanting to do right by Tolkien, not using him to make a buck.

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Starling
Half-elven


May 19 2008, 7:35am

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A remake of Fame??????

Break out the legwarmers, folks.


grammaboodawg
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May 19 2008, 9:19am

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I don't see it happening [In reply to] Can't Post

for theatrical releases, at least. "The Franchise" can also mean a television program or series that has been mentioned here before. As much as I love these adaptations, I don't see the quality of the productions being anything very worthwhile without our NZ people involved, and I don't see them wanting to at this level. That means it would be relegated to the people who bring us tv reality and sitcom shows. *shudder*

We'll see, my precious. We'll see...

The vultures are circling already.



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Elven
Valinor


May 19 2008, 9:40am

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Im gonna live forever ... Im gonna .. [In reply to] Can't Post

err... sorry got carried away there Smile ... remake of Fame? "I have respect for spandex!" ... and leg warmers and striped toe sox!

Back to practising doing the splits .... *ouch!*


Were off to Hobbiton finally!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!!
Russell Crowe for Beorn!!



Starling
Half-elven


May 19 2008, 9:50am

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Darkstone
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May 19 2008, 1:33pm

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Ha! Told ya! [In reply to] Can't Post

I bet I'll be right about the novelizations, too!

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Darkstone
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May 19 2008, 5:07pm

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That's exactly why New Line sprang for three movies. If they had it to do over again I'd bet Bob Shaye would say six.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



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Patty
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May 19 2008, 5:18pm

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Another thing I'm seeing in this... [In reply to] Can't Post

is again the mention of 2011 as the release date of the first "Hobbit" instead of 2010. Oh for goodness sakes.

Hanging out with the Lonely Isle elves.


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


May 19 2008, 5:42pm

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Eh... executives talk... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't believe it for a second. Last time I checked Christopher Tolkien was alive and the Estate was all powerful save for two specific matters: The Hobbit and a contractual "Lord of the Rings prequel".

Unless... Sloan knows something we don't and Bewkes was so darn successful with his negotiation with the Tolkiens that they are allowing all the material, Unfinished Tales, and The Silmarillion to be filmed.

Of course that is HIGHLY improbable.

I wouldn't worry too much... he might just be trying to catch investors by inflating his future lineup, and he can always say he was misquoted or that the deals didn't come through.

And yes Patty, I think we are aiming for 2011. 2010 seems a little tight nowadays when you think they don't even have screenplay yet.

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


Patty
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May 19 2008, 5:58pm

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I'm sure you're right, although... [In reply to] Can't Post

it has long been my theory that PJ, Fran, and Phillipa have had more than a rough script they've been kicking back and forth since the day they finished RotK. I know they went right into King Kong, but I'm sure the idea stream didn't stop even though they were working on something else. This property is so hot that I would bet the pre-production is well advanced already. I just don't see Dec. of 2010 being out of the realm of possibility. But if it means they'll hurry and shoot scenes with Chris Lee first and take all necessary time on the rest (even to 2011) I'm okay with that.

Hanging out with the Lonely Isle elves.


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


May 19 2008, 9:49pm

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From Variety [In reply to] Can't Post

And an official Press Conference: http://www.variety.com/...68.html&nid=2853

Which I featured in a new thread at Main :http://newboards.theonering.net/...;;page=unread#unread

It's funny they don't mention what you posted... it's all very strange. What seems a fact now is that the releases are slated for 2011 and 2012.

As I said in the other thread, it's funny they are recurrently referring to The Hobbit as a two part prequel... (something they has stopped doing.

On a plus side, it seems Peter and Fran will be involved in the writing.

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


diedye
Grey Havens


May 20 2008, 3:28am

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That article is from the Cannes page on the IndieWire website.

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Patty
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May 20 2008, 4:56am

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What about Phillipa? [In reply to] Can't Post

A fan like that will, hopefully still be involved....

Hanging out with the Lonely Isle elves.


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


May 20 2008, 4:04pm

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I would assume Phillipa is in as well... [In reply to] Can't Post

It is a matter of importance because of the settled lawsuit, I believe. It was actually the Jacksons vs the studio, and Phillipa didn't have an interest there (other than working in The Hobbit).

I am sure she'll be writing as well, after all SHE is the Tolkien geek. Smile

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


grammaboodawg
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May 20 2008, 4:18pm

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I think they're a set [In reply to] Can't Post

that cannot be broken... especially when it comes to Tolkien. It's so thrillling to imagine ALL of them back on this project. Shore, Boyens, Walsh, Taylor, Jackson, Gilbert?, Acevedo?, Hannah(s), and who will edit? I hope Jamie Selkirk!! *twitch*



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Sunflower
Valinor

May 21 2008, 7:36am

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Note to The Powers That Be: [In reply to] Can't Post

You aren't dealing with Coca-Cola, Arizona Iced Tea, Gatorade, or whatever Kiwi soft drink example you can list. You are instead dealing with one of the world's great fine vintages, and it's extremely rare, comes from a plant with very deep roots that only be cultivated in a certain type of soil, nurtured with certain choice fertilizers (creative teams--which in themselves are VERY expensive), and is meant to be debuted at a very special occasion (so to speak), served with great care, and after that, it is meant to be savored slowly and thoroughly enjoyed.

It is NOT a factory-produced beverage laced with artificial sweeteners, to be slugged down and quickly replaced by dropping another coin into the slot of the vending machine, where another one exactly like it will come plonking out.

Hey, it's a not very good metaphor for a Tolkien cinema adaptation, I'll admit, but it's better than a patented rant against this type of comment from a Corporate Executive, which I had *better not* write?EvilAngelicSly

I imagine Kristen Thompson could have a field day with a comment like this, if she ever updated her book. ...;.

I think I'll just forget I ever read this...*goes away whistling, hands in pocket*:)


Mirabella_Bunce
Rivendell

May 21 2008, 1:07pm

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Think of the Franchise???!!! Sheesh, TORN needs to rein this Parent lady in FAST! How could even the biggest ditzball in the world lump LOTR in with Robocop and Rocky? I'm guessing she's never even read a book in her life - except maybe some Harlequin romances. Films like 'The Hobbit' are NOT "immense opportunities" they are immense responsibilities!!!


merklynn
Lorien


May 21 2008, 1:21pm

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MGM moving independently for Saul Zaentz' LOTR film licenses [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm utterly confused at this point regarding who makes the decisions on future film adaptations. I thought that New Line had rights via Saul Zaentz to make two films outside of LOTR which were The Hobbit and an additional material film. The difference between this deal and the LOTR deal being that MGM has international distribution rights for the Hobbit and companion film. So where do MGM get off on thinking they can make a series of films out of this 60-80 year period? They would have to be pursuing Saul Zaentz separately from NL/WB for the rights to such additional licenses for films.

So is that what they are thinking they would like to do? Are Sloan and Parent thinking about getting the license for several more LOTR prequel adaptions from Saul Zaentz?

Obviously this sounds like a case of opportunism over responsbility. It sounds separate from what Jackson is doing with the "Companion" film, and therefore scary.

However, what could they possibly use as thei plots for future prequels/interim period film adaptions? I would think the material would be starting to get rather thin by the time the Companion film is released. What might be left out of the companion film that they could even use? I'm guessing the plot for MGMs sprequels would be almost entirely original. Maybe fan pandering like Glorfindel's adventures, or maybe Balin journey, or The Last Alliance, or maybe entirely original characters resulting in something as fanfiction feeling as Lord of the Rings: The Third Age video game.


Darkstone
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May 21 2008, 1:43pm

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Zaentz has always been protective of The Hobbit and LOTR. More because they are his bread and butter rather than any idealism. He doesnt want them lessened in value by overexposure. And he sure doesn't want them ruined by a string of bad adaptations. (Indeed, after the Bakshi film Zaentz steadfastly refused several very lucrative film offers. Weinstein was able to get the film rights only because Zaentz owed him a really big favor.) I don't see Zaentz as willing to alienate the Tolkien fan base. (Exploit it, yes. Alienate it, no.)

The other fly in the ointment is the UA/MGM-held domestic distribution rights. These are entirely seperate from Zaentz' rights. I strongly suspect that once The Hobbit is made the domestic distribution rights will finally revert back to the Tolkien estate. Which means that this may well be the only film version of The Hobbit ever to be made until the copyright runs out.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Patty
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May 21 2008, 4:47pm

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Immense responsibilites... [In reply to] Can't Post

very well worded.

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Films like 'The Hobbit' are NOT "immense opportunities" they are immense responsibilities!!!


Hanging out with the Lonely Isle elves.


Sunflower
Valinor

May 21 2008, 8:36pm

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you wish that you could just reach out and clunk these people upside the head. I wish there was a way for the fans to let her know that Tolkien isn't Coca-Cola.

Shaye and Sloan and, I presume, hopefully, Jeff Bewkes of Warner's have come to know by now the power of the Tolkien fan community very well, and that we are very protective of The Professor's legacy. As far as I am concerned, we are incredibly lucky and blessed just to be getting the Hobbit films at all, considering what has passed over the past 3 yrs. We are even luckier (to me, it still borders on the miraculous) that we are getting Del Toro, the ONLY director (IMO) who is capable of concincingly following Our Three's footsteps right now. And directors like him don't grow on trees (certainly not ones grown on Hollywood soil these days.) Yes, there are a few really good directors out there--Micheal Apted, etc...but no-one has the Bergman-like vision of GDT, unless it is Alfonso Cuaron, his colleague.

Even cinema adapatations of Tolkien can almost come out once about once a decade or so.

I'd be even more worried of them getting hold of something like Children of Hurin. That story simply will not work with a happy Hollywood ending, and you can't take out the Turin-Neinor relationship without re-writing the story completely. Which no Hollywood or mainstream American TV adaptation would keep in--the relationship I mean. You see what I mean?

And strange to say, I might not ever want a cinema adaptation made of Beren and Luthien. That story to me is sacred.

But we are likely dealing only with the pre War of the Ring timeline, since that is the only legal options open. And this ISN'T like Lucasfilm with the Clone Wars. They need to know that RIGHT NOW.


Huan71
Lorien

May 22 2008, 9:39am

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Books to film. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I'd be even more worried of them getting hold of something like Children of Hurin. That story simply will not work with a happy Hollywood ending, and you can't take out the Turin-Neinor relationship without re-writing the story completely. Which no Hollywood or mainstream American TV adaptation would keep in--the relationship I mean. You see what I mean?

And strange to say, I might not ever want a cinema adaptation made of Beren and Luthien. That story to me is sacred.

But we are likely dealing only with the pre War of the Ring timeline, since that is the only legal options open. And this ISN'T like Lucasfilm with the Clone Wars. They need to know that RIGHT NOW.

I agree with most of what you say. The ability of big Hollywood execs to see film story lines and environments, as well as any books they come from, bled dry for every last cent that can be sucked from them never ceases to amaze me.
Do these people have any idea about what they are really doing (on a deeper level). Or are they sooo shallow that they see every thing in life on purely fiscal terms and assume everyone else perceives the world in the same way?
I cant see how any more films could be squeezed out of the "between Hobbit and LotRs" time.
Maybe "Gardening Tales" showing Sam Gamgee taking over from his old man, the gaffer.
Or "Rebuilding Lake Town." I see a movie/home improvement tv show tie in here. Possibly specialising in fire damage.
Anyway....
However, i do think it's possible to do the other big stories, provided its done properly!!
I wouldn't have a problem with "Children of Hurin" or "Beren and Luthien" being put to film, though i would'nt have much faith in Hollywood doing it properly !
But, GDT directing "Beren and Luthien", as a more modestly budgeted film, outside of Hollywood. Possibly scripted in a language they would have spoken (or as near as possible) with subtitles. An emphasis on the characters, their relationships and the story, rather than dumbing down and going for a blockbuster. Careful and appropriate use of sfx...
I actually think that would work, especially i the film was aimed at an older audience.
I know, i know, it's never gonna happen !
Ok, How about the WHOLE of the "Lay of Leithian" being released as a novel, like "Children...", by Christopher Tolkien?
(has this poem been published in full?)

"Futility is the defining characterisic of life. Pain is the proof of existance."

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