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So it begins. First teaser is live and the official title of the series is "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power"
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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jan 19, 3:12pm

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So it begins. First teaser is live and the official title of the series is "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" Can't Post

The Lord of the Rings on Prime just updated its Instagram feed with a teaser and a post that reads: "A new age begins September 2, 2022. Journey to Middle-earth with The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power."

The teaser shows the one ring being forged, with a female voice (Morfydd Clark?) reciting the ring verse.

Does this mean that the late Second age leaks that have been reported by The Fellowship of Fans have been smoke & mirrors from Amazon? Or perhaps that the timelines will be merged somehow?

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought

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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jan 19, 3:31pm

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Official statement from the showrunners: [In reply to] Can't Post

“This is a title that we imagine could live on the spine of a book next to J.R.R. Tolkien’s other classics,” said series showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay in a press release. “The Rings of Power unites all the major stories of Middle-earth’s Second Age: The forging of the rings, the rise of the Dark Lord Sauron, the epic tale of Númenor, and the Last Alliance of Elves and Men.”

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


Eldy
Gondor


Jan 19, 4:20pm

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It might have been disinformation... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but I think it's at least as likely that Amazon is simply trying to emphasize the connections between its new series and and LOTR proper. The Ring-verse is recognizable to the average potential viewer; Númenórean names and imagery are not. But who knows. Crazy


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 19, 4:33pm

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With such a subtitle... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I would have expected the show to place more emphasis on the middle of the Second Age than we seem to be getting. So far it looks like the forging of the Great Rings, the War of the Elves and Sauron, and the rise of the Nazgul are only going to be briefly covered.

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FrogmortonJustice65
Lorien


Jan 19, 4:44pm

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The opening musical chords [In reply to] Can't Post

sure sound like a riff on Howard Shore's "History of the Ring" theme.


Eldy
Gondor


Jan 19, 4:44pm

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THR has a quote from the showrunners... [In reply to] Can't Post

...which seems to imply they are attempting the cover the entire Second Age.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/...w-amazon-1235077310/


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“This is a title that we imagine could live on the spine of a book next to J.R.R. Tolkien’s other classics. The Rings of Power unites all the major stories of Middle-earth’s Second Age: the forging of the rings, the rise of the Dark Lord Sauron, the epic tale of Númenor, and the Last Alliance of Elves and Men,” said showrunners J.D. Payne & Patrick McKay. “Until now, audiences have only seen on-screen the story of the One Ring — but before there was one, there were many… and we’re excited to share the epic story of them all.”


I'm ... not sure I believe this. Or at least, if they try to cover all this material, I worry it will involve a lot of compression and fusion of elements in order to fit it into a single TV show. Because, good God, it's a lot of story otherwise.


Chen G.
Gondor

Jan 19, 5:02pm

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We've known about this shortly in advance thanks to this [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks to Japanese Amazon:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/878600194520924215/933353662112202762/IMG_7815.png


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 19, 5:14pm

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The Teaser Trailer [In reply to] Can't Post


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"This video is currently unavailable."

Here's the video from Amazon Prime's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhqGCPMfkNM

I'm assuming that we're hearing Morfydd Clark as Galadriel.

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cats16
Valinor


Jan 19, 5:41pm

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Well, well! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for sharing. And thanks to greendragon for her post on the TORn homepage that included info on visual effects legend Douglas Trumbull's work on this teaser.

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cats16
Valinor


Jan 19, 5:44pm

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"The epic tale of Númenor" line... [In reply to] Can't Post

...did make me chuckle. That could be its own 10+ season show if one wanted it to be! Laugh

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cats16
Valinor


Jan 19, 6:05pm

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So... [In reply to] Can't Post

It would seem that we're undoubtedly getting a start-to-finish telling of the Second Age, yes?

The simplest route, IMO, is to compress Númenor's history while simultaneously using the immortality of the Elves to your advantage as a storyteller - you can have a couple of Númenorean rulers cycle through (before arriving at Elendil and Isildur), if you want, while keeping Gil-galad, Galadriel and Celebrimbor in place without having to worry about characters aging in the normal sense. But I'd imagine these storylines to take place separately for the most part, as they do in the text itself, and being edited together similarly to how the earlier seasons of Game of Thrones juggled several loosely related storylines that took place hundreds of miles away from one another - and gradually came to coalesce as the seasons unfolded. GoT worked just fine on a storytelling level despite Daenerys not meeting most of the other characters until several seasons deep.

But now we've got some indication that they're looking to lay the bricks that lead us to the Last Alliance, ultimately. I wonder if the tension between Elves and Men will be heightened along the way (by increasing the enmity of the Elves, I'd say) after the rise of Númenor to make the Last Alliance feel less like a foregone conclusion.

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 19, 6:40pm

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Well...maybe. Maybe not. [In reply to] Can't Post


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It would seem that we're undoubtedly getting a start-to-finish telling of the Second Age, yes?


So far it looks like most of the history of the Second Age might be summarized in Bayona's 2-part pilot. It seems as though the main action of the series will take place in the time of Miriel, Isilsdur and Pharazon. But maybe the creative team will play around with the timeline.


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The simplest route, IMO, is to compress Númenor's history while simultaneously using the immortality of the Elves to your advantage as a storyteller - you can have a couple of Númenorean rulers cycle through (before arriving at Elendil and Isildur), if you want, while keeping Gil-galad, Galadriel and Celebrimbor in place without having to worry about characters aging in the normal sense. But I'd imagine these storylines to take place separately for the most part, as they do in the text itself, and being edited together similarly to how the earlier seasons of Game of Thrones juggled several loosely related storylines that took place hundreds of miles away from one another - and gradually came to coalesce as the seasons unfolded. GoT worked just fine on a storytelling level despite Daenerys not meeting most of the other characters until several seasons deep.

But now we've got some indication that they're looking to lay the bricks that lead us to the Last Alliance, ultimately. I wonder if the tension between Elves and Men will be heightened along the way (by increasing the enmity of the Elves, I'd say) after the rise of Númenor to make the Last Alliance feel less like a foregone conclusion.


I"m hoping that we will not see the type of time compression that would make Celebrimbor and the forging of the Great Rings contemporaneous with Elendil and Isildur. I don't need or want Ar-Pharazon to lead the Numenorean fleet that ends the War of the Elves and Sauron, though I fear that might be the direction in which the show is heading.

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cats16
Valinor


Jan 19, 6:46pm

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Right [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess by start-to-finish I meant more "we'll start at the beginning of the SA and end at the end of the SA," but not necessarily a true start-to-finish all-encompassing version. But I agree it seems that the pilot is going to fit a lot in.

And re: time compression, I suppose a question is whether they intend the War of the Last Alliance to be the "end" of the show or not. I say that as I can imagine a build-up towards Ar Pharazon coming at the end of season 1, if they're looking to streamline things, and then the rest of the show leads us to the WotLA.

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Chen G.
Gondor

Jan 19, 7:06pm

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Thanks for sharing. And thanks to greendragon for her post on the TORn homepage that included info on visual effects legend Douglas Trumbull's work on this teaser.


My inner photography-nerd nearly fell off of the seat when I read Trumbull was in it!

It makes sense: Trumbull is one of the few people who still works on macro-photography, and when I did the live-stream with Fellowship of Fans, I said the last time I saw macro-photography was Tree of Life, which Trumbull worked on.

I'm still euphoric about him having worked on it.


Hasuwandil
Lorien


Jan 19, 8:39pm

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A fitting title, if they removed the first half [In reply to] Can't Post

"The Rings of Power" was my favored title, at least back before the leaks about Isildur, Míriel, etc. being main characters in Season 1, but I think "The Lord of the Rings" added before it makes it a bit clumsy. I don't see why it needs to be in there. It's easy enough to figure what the show is about from "The Rings of Power". For some reason HBO doesn't feel the need to call their prequel show "Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon".

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 19, 9:31pm

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Ar-Pharazon [In reply to] Can't Post

Just to clarify: I do know that Ar-Pharazon does eventually lead the fleet to Middle-earth that ends up taking Sauron captive, but that is many centuries after the War of the Elves and Sauron and has more to do with Ar-Pharazon's pride and arrogance than with aiding the Elves or Men of Middle-earth in any way. I don't want to see these separate events conflated.

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 19, 9:33pm

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"The Rings of Power" was my favored title, at least back before the leaks about Isildur, Míriel, etc. being main characters in Season 1, but I think "The Lord of the Rings" added before it makes it a bit clumsy. I don't see why it needs to be in there. It's easy enough to figure what the show is about from "The Rings of Power". For some reason HBO doesn't feel the need to call their prequel show "Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon".


Amazon needs to keep The Lord of the Rings as part of the title for branding purposes. The name recognition is a key factor in marketing the show.

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InTheChair
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Jan 19, 11:01pm

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The story of them all? [In reply to] Can't Post

That quote seems to me to say rather that we'll be seeing the effects of the Three, the Seven and the Nine on their respective bearers. Which could tie in to many events from the second age.

It might also explain why there are Dwarves in the series beyond being friends of the Elves of Eregion.

I guess that some of the Nine rings may feature in Numenor, and the Three with the kings and queens of the Elves.

They might even throw in the effect of the One on Isildur, if the Last Alliance is the big bang they go out on.

Though my guess is in that case it will be some kind of compressed or out-of-time pieced together version of the Second Age events. They'd have no chance of covering the whole age, beginning to end.


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Archestratie
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Jan 20, 12:49am

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The name is fine. The voiceover is fine. There's not much to tell from this. I am glad we finally get a name for the series, but other than that this is a nothing burger.

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Chen G.
Gondor

Jan 20, 10:17am

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other than that this is a nothing burger.


There are definitely things to be derived from this. The music, although clearly teaser music, hints at Howard Shore's Ring theme.

IGN seems to believe the silver lettering is significant: perhaps hinting at the creation of the Doors of Moria?

A longer version of this - tellingly, Morfydd's voiceover doesn't cover the whole ring-verse - could be used as the opening-credits sequence: IGN seems to give off that impression.

The show has a slot on Amazon Prime, which (1) reveals this is the title for ALL seasons, given the way its styled and (2) has an age rating: "16+"

The appended press release definitely points towards the show trying to encompass all the major events of the Second Age, as opposed to focusing on any one epoch.

That's not bad, in a day.


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FrogmortonJustice65
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Jan 20, 3:11pm

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I've seen the rating for LOTR on Prime listed as TV-14 [In reply to] Can't Post

That might throw a little cold water on the fear that this show is going to be a nasty, profane Game of Thrones (TV-MA) knockoff.

If that rating holds we can expect a PG-13 experience rather than an R-rated experience. That implies less nudity and ultra-violence.


Chen G.
Gondor

Jan 20, 3:17pm

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TV-14 allows to get away with alot [In reply to] Can't Post

It falls somewhere between PG-13 and R. Look at what Wheel of Time managed to get through on a similar rating: bits of nudity and sex, lots of violence, dunno about profanity.

That's not a bad thing: I want a hard-hitting show.


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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jan 20, 5:43pm

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While I'm not particularly impressed with Morfydd's voiceover, the teaser video is very impressive looking. I think it is clear that this show will be visually impressive, and I am relieved to see clear indications that the focus will be on, as you say, all the major events of the Second Age rather than focusing on the end, as has been implied by some of the FoF reporting. They are not going to title the series "The Rings of Power" without a strong emphasis on the creation of the Rings and the resulting battles that ensue from that.

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Lindele
Gondor

Jan 20, 6:39pm

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Howard Shore Confirmed? [In reply to] Can't Post

It would seem. Amazon replied to an Instagram post that HS composed the music for the teaser. According to Nerd of the Rings on YouTube.


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Lindele
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Jan 20, 6:58pm

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Link [In reply to] Can't Post

https://youtu.be/F4jKpV4Kyic?t=292

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