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Could alle the three Houses of the Edain merged together in the First Age?


Aug 31, 7:38pm

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Could alle the three Houses of the Edain merged together in the First Age? Can't Post

If they did that, would this new people be able to become a advanced society like their successors in Arnor and Gondor, building splendid buildings like Minas Tirith and Orthanc? Or is it more likely they will be similar to Rohan?


Sep 3, 1:31pm

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I think none of the House of Beor were left in Middle Earth. Some of the more numerous of Hador were living in Eriador, and I would think they were akin to the Eotheod in Wilderland. Lots of People of Halethian descent lived in Minhiriath and surroundings as the Gwathuirim or Dunlendings.
These were farmers, fishers and hunters, not city-builders. But what the might have developed if not for the threat of Sauron and Angmar is anybodys guess.

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Sep 5, 11:27pm

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low rates of urbanisation, by comparison, but advanced societies nonetheless [In reply to] Can't Post

The kin of the Three Houses of the Edain who didn't make the final crossing over the Ered Luin, into Beleriand, don't appear to have been heavily urbanised - with some exceptions.

As pointed out by Asger, the kin of the House of Haleth appear to have kept to the forests, until the Númenóreans cut most of them down, and then retreated to marginal territories, such as Dunland and Eryn Vorn ('The History of Galadriel & Celeborn, Unfinished Tales).

Regarding Eriador, there dwelt "many Men of different kinds", mainly kin of the Bëorians but also some relatives of the Hadorians ('Of Dwarves & Men', HoMe XII). The recently published 'Note on the Delay of Gil-galad and the Númenóreans' (The Nature of Middle-earth) even mentions that some remnants of the actual Three Houses who had fought against Morgoth dwelt in Eriador. These peoples appear to have lived in "small groups", who were later harried and hunted down by Sauron's forces during the War of the Elves & Sauron ('The History of Galadriel & Celeborn', Unfinished Tales). There is no trace of pre-Númenórean towns, at least on the part of these peoples - although it appears they left monuments of a sort: the great barrows of Tyrn Gorthad. The Bree-landers did obviously go on to build a town and were also said to pre-date the arrival of Elendil ('Appendix on Languages', HoMe XII). Interestingly, this one non-Númenórean urban outpost was founded by people descended from the Dunlendings, who themselves were descendants of the aforementioned kin of the House of Haleth - ironically deemed wild and barbaric by the early Númenórean explorers and timber-men.

For the most part, the Northmen - categorised by Gondorian scholars as descendants of the kin of the Hadorians ('The Window on the West, LotR; 'Of Dwarves & Men, HoMe XII) - are described as dispersed peoples, who "lived mostly in the open and had no great cities" ('Ciron & Eorl', Unfinished Tales). There isn't much to contradict these fundamentals for the successors to the Northmen: the Éothéod, the Rohirrim / Eorlingas, the Beornings and the Woodmen of Mirkwood. However, this doesn't necessarily mean no urbanisation at all. During the heyday of the alliance between Durin's Folk and the Northmen, in the first half of the Second Age, Tolkien wrote of "scattered homesteads and villages", as well as "small townships" defended by "dikes and wooden fences" ('Of Dwarves & Men'). The Éothéod founded Framsburg in the far north of the Vales of Anduin, between the Greylin and Langwell Rivers. And of course, the Rohirrim built Edoras and Aldburg at least.

The final examples I can think of are the towns of Dale and Esgaroth / Lake-town, both of which are also associated with the Northmen. And just to mix things up, I'll throw in that under Sauron's influence, the Men of the east and south "built many towns and walls of stone" ('Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age', The Silmarillion) - these being 'Wild Men' according to loremasters of Gondor.

All of the above were no doubt viewed by the Númenóreans and their Gondorian and Arnorian successors as 'not as developed us' - 'Middle Men' contrasted with 'High Men', in Númenórean typology. However, while these distant relatives of the Three Houses of the Edain were undoubtedly culturally and materially enriched by their contact with the Númenóreans (and Tolkien is explicit on this), towns like Bree survive and appeared to prosper, even as Arnor collapsed; and the prosperity of towns like Dale and Esgaroth appeared to have as much (if not more) to do with their trade links with Erebor, the Woodland Realm and Dorwinion as with the beneficence or legacies of the Númenóreans. These various peoples may not have built an Orthanc or the Argonath but, based on the limited writings of Tolkien on the subject, these societies appear no less robust or coherent for it.

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