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Did the valar join the war of wrath? Or did he just send the army?

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Jun 19 2021, 4:27am

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Is there any information in all of Tolkien's works that the valar participated in the war of wrath?


InTheChair
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Jun 19 2021, 6:39pm

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Tulkas was there and wrestled Morgoth down once he was cornered.

So at least one who was counted among the Valar was there.

Unless my memory is all off.

EDIT: Checking the chapter in Silmarillion, seem my memory is wrong. Can not see Tulkas mentioned by name. Must have been in Morgoths original capture before the coming of the elves


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Elthir
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Jun 22 2021, 8:24pm

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In an early-ish conception, the Valar seem to have sent their children. I guess.


Tolkien never got around to truly revising the end of Quenta Silmarillion but he did make some later corrections to it, concerning which (Christopher Tolkien warns) do not necessarily amount to any sort of final approval of content, however.

Two Tolkienian changes here were (note the second one):

1) "the Light-Elves of Valinor"> "the Light-elves in Valinor" ("kinsfolk in Aman" in the constructed Silmarillion).


2) "the sons of the Gods were young and fair and terrible"> "the host of the Gods were arrayed in forms of Valinor" (1977 Silmarillion "for the host of the Valar were arrayed in forms young and fair and terrible")

Basically what happened is that Fionwe son of Manwe became Eonwe herald of Manwe, and the Children of the Valar became a rejected idea. And then, as I say, Tolkien never got around to fully updating the end section of QS!

Also with respect to the published Silmarillion and Eonwe, the statement: "whose might in arms is surpassed by none in Arda" was an addition from Christopher Tolkien "made in order to prepare for his leadership of the hosts of the West at the Great Battle."

Tolkien himself had described that among the Maiar, Eonwe herald of Manwe, and Ilmare handmaid of Varda, "were the chief."


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