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A movie quote I have wondered about

Hamfast Gamgee
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Dec 19 2020, 11:06pm

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Although this is book-related too, so I think I'll post it here. In Rivendell after he hears of Isengard's treason, in the movie FOTR, Elrond says 'Our list of allies grows thin,' now, I know this is not the exact line and person saying this line from the book. Yet the line sounds familar to me and I have a feeling that someone does say something like this or somewhere there is a quote like it in the narrative. Or is it a quote that simply sounds like Tolkien but isn't?


No One in Particular
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Dec 20 2020, 3:04am

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Thin allies are easy to lose. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not a book quote that I recall. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me in the next thirty seconds or so, Tongue but I do not recall that line from any of the published material.

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SirDennisC
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Dec 20 2020, 4:16am

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I don’t think it sounds like Tolkien; but then [In reply to] Can't Post

in my mind, movie Elrond did not often sound like book Elrond (though I appreciated movie Elrond well enough, in a manner of speaking, as Samwise would say).

Now would be the time for someone to find the quote, ha!


squire
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Dec 20 2020, 4:43am

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It's from the book of Tolkien-ishness [In reply to] Can't Post

What Elrond says at the Council, after Gandalf's account of the Treason of Isengard (as Tolkien dubbed it), is:
‘This is grievous news concerning Saruman,’ he said; ‘for we trusted him and he is deep in all our counsels. It is perilous to study too deeply the arts of the Enemy, for good or for ill. But such falls and betrayals, alas, have happened before. - LR II.2
Tolkien does use the term 'allies' in the sense of the movies' dialogue, but I don't think he ever uses the melodramatic phrase "grows thin".



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InTheChair
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Dec 20 2020, 5:20pm

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It sound more like something mimicking another movie. [In reply to] Can't Post

I can not think of or remember which movies may have had similar quotes. Might have been TV series as well.

Probably the use of the line is inspired by the passage of Tolkien quoted by squire. They were looking for something shorter.


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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2020, 8:02pm

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OMG, No One in P, you are wrong again! [In reply to] Can't Post

Jk! Wink

I was thinking Elrond says more of the opposite about too few allies in the Council in the book:

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‘May the day not be too long delayed,’ said Boromir. ‘For though I do not ask for aid, we need it. It would comfort us to know that others fought also with all the means that they have.’

‘Then be comforted,’ said Elrond. ‘For there are other powers and realms that you know not, and they are hidden from you. Anduin the Great flows past many shores, ere it comes to Argonath and the Gates of Gondor.’



No One in Particular
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Dec 21 2020, 2:09am

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See? [In reply to] Can't Post

Told you if I was wrong someone would correct me! Wink

While you live, shine
Have no grief at all
Life exists only for a short while
And time demands an end.
Seikilos Epitaph


Hamfast Gamgee
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Jan 7, 12:09pm

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Oh, well maybe I heard it from Star Trek! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

 
 

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