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What's up with the number ''10.000''?

Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

Oct 23, 6:10am

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What's up with the number ''10.000''? Can't Post

Notice how PJ has a certain fondness for the number ''10.000'' (ten thousand). I don't remember if in the book, it's the same thing, but in TTT Jackson has ''10.000'' orcs (Uruk-Hai?) to assault Helm's Deep.

And AGAIN, in ROTK, he says that ''10.000'' orcs are ''between Frodo and Mount Doom''. So today's question is:

WHY THE FIXATION WITH THE NUMBER TEN THOUSAND? HAS IT ANY SORT OF LOGIC BEHIND IT'S USAGE? WHY, PJ? WHYYYYY?

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(This post was edited by Paulo Gabriel on Oct 23, 6:12am)


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 23, 2:12pm

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The number 10,000 has a nice Ring to it? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've got nothin' else.

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#DiversityWithFidelity


squire
Half-elven


Oct 23, 5:35pm

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It is folly. [In reply to] Can't Post

That is, it is folly to try to take the Ring to Mordor, because - wait for it - "Not with ten thousand men could you do this." Hat Trick to Boromir.

It's a little odd that not with ten thousand men could you force a road to Mount Doom, when it turns out that exactly ten thousand orcs are what is there to keep you from doing it. Since Men are better fighters than orcs, it seems like you could do this after all.

As it turns out, Tolkien does have a slight fondness for armies of ten thousand. Theoden says that, in better circumstances, he would have sent ten thousand spears to aid Gondor, not the six he actually sends. Turgon of Gondolin saves the day at some very important battle in The Silmarillion with an army of ten thousand Elves. And Merry and Pippin watch Saruman's army of ten thousand issue from Isengard, a number Gandalf confirms when he recruits Treebeard to send the Huorns to Helm's Deep.

I guess it's a biggish but workable round number for an army, that rolls off the tongue nicely.



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Paulo Gabriel
Lorien

Oct 28, 2:30pm

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Guess I will have to check the books... [In reply to] Can't Post

and see if that's canon or not. Laugh

 
 

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