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September 13, 3018 (S.R. 3018)
1. The days go by in Bag End.
(not from the appendices)
..."Autumn was well under way before Frodo began to worry about Gandalf again. September was passing and there was still no news of him. The Birthday, and the removal, drew nearer, and still he did not come, or send word."

September 13, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. Celeborn and Galadriel depart, the others set out for Rivendell.
(not from the appendices)
...[The Company lingered near the Silverlode] "...But at length all was said, and they parted again for a while, until it was time for the Three Rings to pass away. Quickly fading into the stones and the shadows the grey-cloaked people of Lórien road towards the mountain; and those who were going to Rivendell sat on the hill and watched, until there came out of the gathering mist a flash; and then they saw no more. Frodo knew that Galadriel had held aloft her ring in token of farewell. Sam turned away and sighed: 'I wish I was going back to Lórien!'"




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September 14, 3001 (S.R. 1401)
1. A waggon is spotted on the road.
(not from the appendices)

..."Days passed and The Day drew nearer... ...At the end of the second week in September a cart came in through Bywater from the direction of Brandywine Bridge in broad daylight. An old man was driving it all alone. He wore a tall pointed blue hat, a long grey cloak, and a silver scarf. He had a long white beard and bushy eyebrows that stuck out beyond the brim of his hat. Small hobbit-children ran after the cart all through Hobbiton and right up the hill. It had a cargo of fireworks... ...At Bilbo's front door the old man began to unload: there were great bundles of fireworks of all sorts and shapes, each labelled with a large red G and the elf-rune


...That was Gandalf's mark... ...and the old man was Gandalf the wizard, whose fame in the Shire was due mainly to his skill with fires, smokes, and lights. His real business was far more difficult and dangerous, but the Shire-folk new nothing about it.... ...he was just one of the 'attractions' at the Party.
...When the old man, helped by Bilbo and some dwarves, had finished unloading, Bilbo gave a few pennies away; but not a single squib or cracker was forthcoming, to the disappointment of the onlookers.
...'Run away now!' said Gandalf. 'You will get plenty when the time comes.' Then he disappeared inside with Bilbo, and the door was shut. The young hobbits stared at the door in vain for a while, and then they made off, feeling that the day of the party would never come."




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September 15, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The White Council continues their debate.
(not from the appendices-determined from text – The Silmarillion)

... "... Mithrandir spoke to the Council, saying:
...'…The might of the Elves and the Elf-friends is less now than of old. Soon he will be too strong... ...even without the Great Ring; for he rules the Nine, and of the Seven he has recovered three. We must strike.'"

2. Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur.
(not from the appendices-determined from text)

..."To this Curunír now assented, desiring that Sauron should be thrust from Dol Guldur, which was nigh to the River, and should have leisure to search there no longer. Therefore, for the last time, he aided the Council..."


September 15, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Gandalf isstill held captive atop Orthanc [since July 10].
(not from the appendices)

..."'...on the pinnacle of Orthanc, in the place where Saruman was accustomed to watch the stars. There is no descent save by a narrow stair of many thousand steps, and the valley below seems far away... ...I stood alone on an island in the clouds; and I had no chance of escape, and my days were bitter. I was pierced with cold, and I had but little room in which to pace to and fro, brooding on the coming of the Riders to the North.'"


September 15, 1977
1. The Silmarillion is published.

... Forty years after the publication of The Hobbit, Christopher Tolkien completed his father's work, The Silmarillion.




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Today in Middle-earth

September 15, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The White Council continues their debate.
(not from the appendices-determined from text – The Silmarillion)

... "... Mithrandir spoke to the Council, saying:
...'…The might of the Elves and the Elf-friends is less now than of old. Soon he will be too strong... ...even without the Great Ring; for he rules the Nine, and of the Seven he has recovered three. We must strike.'"

2. Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur.
(not from the appendices-determined from text)

..."To this Curunír now assented, desiring that Sauron should be thrust from Dol Guldur, which was nigh to the River, and should have leisure to search there no longer. Therefore, for the last time, he aided the Council..."


I suspect that the White Council of 2941 met either late in August or early in September; they might be well into putting their plans against Sauron in Dol Guldur into action by this time. This would be especially likely if the Council convened in Rivendell rather than someplace closer to MIrkwood Forest.

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September 16, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo feels the strain.
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."Bilbo did not like being depended upon by everyone, and he wished he had the wizard at hand. But that was no use: probably all the dark distance of Mirkwood lay between them."

September 16, 3001 (S.R. 1401)
1. Bilbo begins sending invitations.
(not from the appendices)

..."Before long the invitations began pouring out, and the Hobbiton post-office was blocked, and the Bywater post-office was snowed under, and voluntary assistant postmen were called for... ...a constant stream of them going up the Hill, carrying hundreds of polite variations on 'Thank you, I shall certainly come.'
...A Notice appeared on the gate at Bag End: NO ADMITTANCE EXCEPT ON PARTY BUSINESS."




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Lemmie take a look at this. Thanks!




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Tolkien does tell us that the White Council met in the late summer of 2941, we don't know precisely what that means in the that region of Middle-earth in the Third Age. From The Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, Part III (Durin's Folk):


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In the late summer of that same year (2941) Gandalf had at last prevailed upon Saruman and the White Council to attack Dol Guldur, and Sauron retreated and went to Mordor, there to be secure, as he thought, from all his enemies.


My best guess is that the end of summer in the North might have fallen at the end of August rather than in the middle of September. If the summer solstice roughly coincided with the Lithedays following the end of June then the autumnal equinox would have been around the end of September or beginning of October which is far too late for our purposes*. In addition, mid-September leaves the Council little time in which to make their plans and take action before the date of 22 September--perhaps too little time.

*By coincidence(?), the end of September works out very well for the beginning of Autumn in Gondor with its presumably milder climate, as it does roughly coincide with the fall equinox.

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in the Steward's Reckoning of Gondor, the day of Yáviérë (Autumn-day; near or just after the Autumnal Equinox) fell between the months of Yavannië (September) and Narquelië (October). Similarly, the day of Tuilérë (Spring-day; near or just after the Vernal Equinox) fell between the months of Súlimë (March) and Víressë (April). Yestarë (2 Yule in the Shire Reckoning) fell approximately on the Winter Solstice. Loëndë (Mid-year's Day; also called Enderi) approximately coincided with the Summer Solstice.

If we use Tolkien's notes in Appendix D (The Calendars) then the beginning of autumn in Gondor (at least during the rule of the Stewards) fell approximately on our own 22 September. Hey! That's the birthdays of Bilbo and Frodo!

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September 17, 3001 (S.R. 1401)
1. Bilbo party preparations keep him busy.
(not from the appendices)

..."Even those who had, or pretended to have, Party Business were seldom allowed inside. Bilbo was busy: writing invitation, ticking off answers, packing up presents, and making some private preparations of his own. From the time of Gandalf's arrival he remained hidden from view."


September 17, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Gandalf is captive atop Orthanc.
(not from the appendices)

..."'Fear was ever in my heart for my friends in the Shire... ...I hoped that Frodo has set forth at once, as my letter had urged, and that he had reached Rivendell before the deadly pursuit began. And both my fear and my hope proved ill-founded. For my hope was founded on a fat man in Bree; and my fear was founded on the cunning of Sauron. But fat men who sell ale have many calls to answer; and the power of Sauron is still less than fear makes it. But in the circle of Isengard, trapped and alone, it was not easy to think that the hunters before whom all have fled or fallen would falter in the Shire far away.'"


[A little related BS from a September 26 event in Frodo's dream while in the house of Tom Bombadil... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Council of Elrond: The Fellowship of the Ring


... "'I saw you!' cried Frodo. 'You were walking backward and forwards. The moon shone in your hair.'
... Gandalf paused astonished and looked at him. 'It was only a dream,' said Frodo, 'but it suddenly came back to me. I had quite forgotten... ...It came some time ago; after I left the Shire, I think.'
... 'Then it was late in coming,' said Gandalf, 'as you will see.'"




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September 18, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The Company is still caught in Thranduil's caves.
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

...Bilbo continues to ponder an escape plan as he listens, watches and waits.


September 18, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Frodo prepares to leave Bag End for Crickhollow.
(not from the appendices)

..."Bag End began to be busy. Some of Frodo's friends came to stay and help him with the packing: there was Fredegar Bolger and Folco Boffin, and of course his special friends Pippin Took and Merry Brandybuck. Between them they turned the whole place upside-down."

2. Gandalf escapes from Orthanc in the early hours. The Black Riders cross the Fords of Isen.
(from the appendices)

..."'Those of you who know me will agree that I have seldom been in such need, and do not bear such misfortune well. Gandalf the Grey caught like a fly in a spider's treacherous web! Yet even the most subtle spiders may leave a weak thread.
...'At first I feared, as Saruman no doubt intended, that Radagast had also fallen. Yet I had caught no hint of anything wrong in his voice or in his eye at our meeting... ...He sought me in good faith, and so persuaded me.
...'That was the undoing of Saruman's plot. For Radagast knew no reason why he should not do as I asked; and he rode away towards Mirkwood where he had many friends of old. And the Eagles of the Mountains went far and wide, and they saw many things: the gathering of wolves and the mustering of Orcs; and the Nine Riders going hither and thither in the lands; and they heard news of the escape of Gollum. And they sent a messenger to bring these tidings to me.
...'So it was that when summer waned, there came a night of moon, and Gwaihir the Windlord... ...came unlooked-for to Orthanc; and he found me standing on the pinnacle. Then I spoke to him and he bore me away, before Saruman was aware. I was far from Isengard, ere the wolves and orcs issued from the gate to pursue me.
...'"How far can you bear me?" I said to Gwaihir.
...'"Many leagues," said he, "but not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens."
...'"Then I must have a steed on land," I said, 'and a steed surpassingly swift, for I have never had such need of haste before."
...'"Then I will bear you to Edoras, where the Lord of Rohan sits in his halls..."'"

[league = 3 miles]


September 18, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Company rides to Rivendell
(not from the appendices-no text)

...Gandalf, the hobbits and Elrond with his company continue at their leisure on their journey to Rivendell as Saruman makes his way to the Shire.


September 18, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. The hobbits adjust.
(not from the appendices)

..."Frodo and Sam went back to ordinary attire, except that when there was need they both wore long grey cloaks, finely woven and clasped at the throat with beautiful brooches; and Mr. Frodo wore always a white jewel on a chain that he often would finger."


September 18, 3021 (S.R. 1421)
1. The family in Bag End.
(not from the appendices-no text)

...Frodo found himself watching Sam as he moved about Bag End, often with little Elanor cradled in one of his strong, weathered arms. He suddenly became aware that he had contemplated a hope, a presumption, that would comfort himself in his decision; but would it be fair to Sam? The answer was clear to him. He looked over at Rosie as she set plates and cups on the table and she looked up at him and smiled. Frodo smiled in return. "I'll fetch Sam for you, Rosie. Then I'll come help you finish with the table."




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Great! Thank you! EDITING IN PROGRESS [In reply to] Can't Post

This is all very helpful! My posts on the White Council thread used to be earlier in the month. The change back involves several entries and big adjustments to the Google calendar, so I'm going to work on this and the changes will appear in the thread next year. Because the dates affected have already past, there are just too many posts/dates involved to do the editing for this current thread. It's a domino effect :) One thing knocks into the next.
Thank you so much for your excellent research! A+




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This is all very helpful! My posts on the White Council thread used to be earlier in the month. The change back involves several entries and big adjustments to the Google calendar, so I'm going to work on this and the changes will appear in the thread next year. Because the dates affected have already past, there are just too many posts/dates involved to do the editing for this current thread. It's a domino effect :) One thing knocks into the next.
Thank you so much for your excellent research! A+


One thing to remember is that dates in the calendars of Middle-earth fall earlier on our own calendar. If we go strictly by Tolkien's estimate that Shire-dates were in advance of our own by approximately 10 days, Bilbo and Frodo's birthdays on 22 Halimath would have fallen around our own 14 September. So they would not have fallen on the first day of autumn in the Steward's Reckoning, but about a week and a half earlier. And Gondor's use of the solstices and equinoxes makes it easier for us to relate to their reckoning of the seasons.

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I am working strictly by our current Gregorian Calendar... so I hope your suggestions are according to that and not the other Middle-earth calendars :D


I think my head would explode if I had to do math with these!! *twitch, spasm* That would mean my entire file!!! *splat!*




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I am working strictly by our current Gregorian Calendar... so I hope your suggestions are according to that and not the other Middle-earth calendars :D


I think my head would explode if I had to do math with these!! *twitch, spasm* That would mean my entire file!!! *splat!*


For your purposes, that is probably the best way to go. I just find it interesting to compare the Middle-earth dates with our own. So for your purposes, Frodo and Bilbo's birthdays are still 22 September and Autumn in Gondor starts after the end of September. Autumn in the North, though, might start around the beginning of September or even earlier (depending on which culture we are looking at).

The Calendar of Imladris reckoned Yávië (Autumn) as 10 August through 3 October on the Shire Calendar. After Yávië came the middle-days of Enderi (4 October through 6 October), followed by the season of Quellë (the Fading; from 7 October through 30 November). Winter proper was called Hrívë (1 December through 10 February).

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I heard at some point that Durin's Day falls on our October 19th? [In reply to] Can't Post

That date caught my attention because it's my birthday Smile

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That date caught my attention because it's my birthday Smile


If I remember correctly, that day (October 19) was suggested by Tolkien as the probable date for Durin's Day in T.A. 2941. Based on the phases of the Moon and projecting forward from 1 Lithe, though, around October 22 seems more likely to me.

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And I'm not sure if Tolkien came up with his date before or after his development of the Shire Calendar. That could have made a significant difference in his calculations.

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Timing is everything on this one.

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