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May 11, 12:21pm

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Throughout the Month of May (and a bit beyond), let's look at some Silmarillion BS of Elves and Men... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "When three hundred years and more were gone since the Noldor came to Beleriand... ...Finrod Felagund lord of Nargothrond journeyed east of Sirion and went hunting with Maglor and Maedhros, sons of Fanor. But he wearied of the chase and passed on alone towards the mountains of Ered Lindon that he saw shining afar... ...taking the Dwarf-road he crossed Gelion at the ford of Sarn Athrad, and... ...south over the upper streams of Ascar... ...into the north of Ossiriand.
... In a valley among the foothills of the mountains... ...he saw lights in the evening, and far off he heard the sound of song. At this he wondered much, for the Green-elves of that land lit no fires, nor did they sing by night. At first he feared that a raid of Orcs had passed the leaguer of the North, but as he drew near he perceived that it was not so... ...the singers used a tongue that he had not heard before, neither that of Dwarves nor of Orcs. Then Felagund, standing silent in the night-shadow of the trees, looked down into the camp, and there he beheld a strange people....
... ...these were a part of the kindred and following of Bor the Old, as he was afterwards called, a chieftain among Men. After many lives of wandering out of the East he had led them at last over the Blue Mountains, the first of the race of Men to enter Beleriand... ...they sang because they were glad, and believed that they had escaped from all perils and had come at last to a land without fear.




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May 12, 10:24am

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During the Month of May when we have no TIME, we'll be visiting The Silmarillion Book Spoilers of Elves and Men... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion



... "Long Felagund watched them [Bor and the first race of men camped and singing], and love for them stirred in his heart; but he remained hidden in the trees until they had all fallen asleep. Then he went among the sleeping people, and sat beside their dying fire where none kept watch... ...he took up a rude harp which Bor had laid aside, and he played music upon it such as the ears of Men had not heard; for they had as yet no teachers in the art, save only the Dark Elves in the wild lands.
... Now men awoke and listened to Felagund as he harped and sang... ...each thought that he was in some fair dream, until he saw that his fellows were awake also beside him... ...they did not speak or stir while Felagund still played, because of the beauty of the music and the wonder of the song. Wisdom was in the words of the Elvenking, and the hearts grew wiser that hearkened to him... ...the things of which he sang, of the making of Arda, and the bliss of Aman beyond the shadows of the Sea, came as clear visions before their eyes... ...his Elvish speech was interpreted in each mind according to its measure.
... Thus it was that Men called King Felagund, whom they first met of all the Eldar, Nm, that is Wisdom, in the language of that people, and after him they named his folk Nmin, the Wise. Indeed they believed... ...that Felagund was one of the Valar, of whom they had heard rumour that they dwelt far in the West; and this was (some say) the cause of their journeying... ...Felagund dwelt among them and taught them true knowledge, and they loved him, and took him for their lo, and were ever after loyal to the house of Finarfin."





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May 13, 10:46am

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This is Book Spoiler is about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


..."Now the Eldar were beyond all other peoples skilled in tongues; and Felagund discovered also that he could read in the minds of Men such thoughts as they wished to reveal in speech... ...their words were easily interpreted. It is said also that these Men had long had dealings with the Dark Elves east of the mountains, and from them had learned much of their speech... ...since all the languages of the Quendi were of one origin, the language of Bor and his folk resembled the Elven-tongue in many words and devices. It was not long... ...before Felagund could hold converse with Bor; and while he dwelt with him they spoke much together. But when he questioned him concerning the arising of Men and their journeys, Bor would say little... ...indeed he knew little, for the fathers of his people had told few tales of their past and a silence had fallen upon their memory. 'A darkness lies behind us,' Bor said; 'and we have turned our backs upon it... ...we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.'"




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May 13, 3:31pm

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Thanks for the BS, Gramma! (OK, we know the "BS" has a special sense here. Still, it's fun to say that. Evil)

Anyway, this part about Beor reminds me of Galadriel speaking with Melian: both Men and Noldor had something they wanted to leave in their past and find hope ahead of them. The darkness in their pasts is story-specific, but it's not hard to generalize it to the human condition.


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But when [Finrod] questioned him concerning the arising of Men and their journeys, Bor would say little... ...indeed he knew little, for the fathers of his people had told few tales of their past and a silence had fallen upon their memory. 'A darkness lies behind us,' Bor said; 'and we have turned our backs upon it... ...we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light.'"


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And on a time Melian said: There is some woe that lies upon you and your kin. That I can see in you, but all else is hidden from me; for by no vision or thought can I perceive anything that passed or passes in the West: a shadow lies over all the land of Aman, and reaches far out over the sea. Why will you not tell me more?

For that woe is past, said Galadriel; and I would take what joy is here left, untroubled by memory. And maybe there is woe enough yet to come, though still hope may seem bright.



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May 14, 10:32am

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This is Book Spoiler is about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "Now Felagund learned from Bor that there were many other Men of like mind who were also journeying westward. 'Others of my own kin have crossed the Mountains... ...and they are wandering not far away; and the Haladin, a people from whom we are sundered in speech, are still in the valleys... ...awaiting tidings before they venture further. There are yet other Men, whose tongue is more like to ours... ...They were before us on the westward march, but we passed them; for they are a numerous people, and yet keep together and move slowly, being all ruled by one chieftain whom they call Marach.'
... Now the Green-elves of Ossiriand were troubled by the coming of Men... ...when they heard that a lord of the Eldar from over the Sea was among them they sent messengers to Felagund. 'Lo,' they said, 'if you have power over these newcomers, bid them return by the ways that they came, or else to go forward. For we desire no strangers in this land to break the peace in which we live.... ...these folk are hewers of trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart we shall afflict them in all ways that we can.'
... Then by the advice of Felagund Bor gathered all the wandering families and kindreds of his people, and they removed over Gelion, and took up their abode in the lands of Amrod and Amras... ...near to the borders of Doriath; and the name of that land thereafter was Estolad, the Encampment. But when after a year had passed Felagund wished to return to his own country, Bor begged leave to come with him; and he remained in the service of the King of Nargothrond while his life lasted. In this way he got his name, Bor, whereas his name before had been Balan; for Bor signified 'Vassal' in the tongue of his people. The rule of his folk he committed to Baran his elder son; and he did not return again to Estolad."




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May 14, 10:45am

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There really is an incredible likeness... and the way those are written is mesmerizing. Thank you!




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May 15, 10:48am

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This is Book Spoiler is about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "Soon after the departure of Felagund the other Men of whom Bor had spoken came also into Beleriand. First came the Haladin; but meeting the unfriendship of the Green-elves they turned north and dwelt in Thargelion, in the country of Caranthir son of Fanor... ...for a time they had peace, and the people of Caranthir paid little heed to them. In the next year Marach led his people over the mountains... ...a tall and warlike folk, marching in ordered companies, and the Elves of Ossiriand hid themselves and did not waylay them. But Marach, hearing that the people of Bor were dwelling in a green and fertile land, came down the Dwarf-road, and settled in the country south... ...east of the dwellings of Baran son of Bor; and there was great friendship between those peoples.
...Felagund... ...often returned to visit Men; and many other Elves out of the west-lands, both Noldor and Sindar, journeyed to Estolad... ...eager to see the Edain, whose coming had long been foretold. Now Atani, the Second People, was the name given to Men in Valinor in the lore that told of their coming; but in the speech of Beleriand that name became Edain... ...it was there used only of the three kindreds of the Elf-friends.
... Fingolfin, as King of all the Noldor, sent messengers of welcome to them... ...then many young and eager men of the Edain went away and took service with the kings and lords of the Eldar. Among them was Malach son of Marach... ...he dwelt in Hithlum for fourteen years; and he learned the Elven-tongue and was given the name of Aradan."




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May 15, 7:03pm

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He just can't resist, can he?

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then many young and eager men of the Edain went away and took service with the kings and lords of the Eldar. Among them was Malach son of Marach... ...he dwelt in Hithlum for fourteen years; and he learned the Elven-tongue and was given the name of Aradan."


I'm thinking if he were a journalist, reporting on dull local news, he'd write things like: "CuriousG was seen buying toilet paper, and now the Elves call him 'Moneime ratan.' " "Gramma posted on TORN today, and she was known ever after as 'Friel certar tlala.' " Smile


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May 16, 11:10am

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"I shall not wholly fail if anything can still grow fair in days to come."



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May 16, 12:24pm

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And so... I am dubbed... a-dub-dub! DANKA! :D




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May 16, 12:24pm

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May 16, 12:31pm

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Today in Middle-earth

May 16, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The Company passes Amon Sl.

(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)
..."Bilbo and Company follow the road that continues northeast past Weathertop and reaches the southeastern foot where they come to the last foothill below and camp at its foot."

~~Now here's a Book Spoiler that takes a look at Amon Sl/Weathertop... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Strider: The Fellowship of the Ring


..."'Weathertop?' said Sam. 'What's that?'
...'It is a hill, just to the north of the Road, about halfway from here to Rivendell. It commands a wide view all round; and there we shall have a chance to look about us...
...'...There is no barrow on Weathertop, nor on any of these hills,' answered Strider. 'The Men of the West did not live here; though in their latter days they defended the hills for a while against the evil that came out of Angmar. This path was made to serve the forts along the walls... ...in the first days of the North Kingdom, they built a great watch-tower on Weathertop. Amon Sl they called it. It was burned and broken, and nothing remains of it now but a tumbled ring, like a rough crown on the old hill's head. Yet once it was tall and fair. It is told that Elendil stood there watching for the coming of Gil-galad out of the West, in the days of the Last Alliance.'"


May 16, 2001
1. Cannes Film Festival has first look at Middle-earth.

... Peter Jackson introduces a 24-minute presentation at the Cannes Film Festival. The preview of Jackson's adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings features a completed sequence from the Mines of Moria (as the Fellowship enters the Great Hall to just before the Balrog appears), and a brief glimpse at footage from other scenes of the trilogy. Jaded industry representatives are reportedly blown away by what they see.




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May 16, 12:43pm

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Today in Middle-earth

May 17, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The Company continues northeast on the road, dropping slowly into the 'Lone-lands'.
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."...they had gone on far into the Lone-lands, where there were no people left, no inns, and the roads grew steadily worse. Not far ahead were dreary hills, rising higher and higher, dark with trees. On some of them were old castles with an evil look, as if they had been built by wicked people. Everything seemed gloomy, for the weather that day had taken a nasty turn."




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May 18, 11:27am

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Today in Middle-earth

Continuing the Book Spoilers about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "The Edain did not long dwell content in Estolad, for many still desired to go westward; but they did not know the way. Before them lay... ...Doriath, and southward lay Sirion and its impassable fens. Therefore the kings of the three houses of the Noldor, seeing hope of strength in the sons of Men, sent word that any of the Edain... ...might remove and come to dwell among their people. In this way the migration of the Edain began: at first little by little, but later in families and kindreds, they... ...left Estolad, until after some fifty years many thousands had entered the lands of the Kings. Most of these took the long road northwards, until the ways became well known to them. The people of Bor came to Dorthonion and dwelt in lands ruled by the house of Finarfin. The people of Aradan... ...for the most part went on westward; and some came to Hithlum, but Magor son of Aradan and many of the people passed down Sirion into Beleriand and dwelt a while in the vales of the southern slopes of Ered Wethrin."




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May 19, 11:36am

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This is Book Spoiler is about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "It is said that in all these matters none save Finrod Felagund took counsel with King Thingol, and he was ill pleased... ...and... ...he was troubled by dreams concerning the coming of Men, ere ever the first tidings of them were heard. Therefore he commanded that Men should take no lands to dwell in save in the north, and that the princes whom they served should be answerable for all that they did... ...he said: 'Into Doriath shall no Man come while my realm lasts, not even those of the house of Bor who serve Finrod the beloved.' Melian said nothing to him... ...but afterwards she said to Galadriel: 'Now the world runs on swiftly to great tidings. And one of Men, even of Bor's house, shall indeed come, and the Girdle of Melian shall not restrain him, for doom greater than my power shall send him; and the songs that shall spring from that coming shall endure when all Middle-earth is changed.'
... But many Men remained in Estolad... ...still a mingled people living there long years after, until in the ruin of Beleriand they were overwhelmed or fled back into the East. For beside the old who deemed that their wandering days were over there were not a few who desired to go their own ways... ...they feared the Eldar and the light of their eyes.... ...dissensions awoke among the Edain, in which the shadow of Morgoth may be discerned, for certain it is that he knew of the coming of Men into Beleriand and of their growing friendship with the Elves."




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May 20, 10:36am

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Today in Middle-earth

May 20, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Passing Weathertop.
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."The Company of Hobbit, Wizard, and Dwarves has passed Weathertop as the Road turns more east."


May 20, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. Spring at Bag End.
(not from the appendices-no text)

...Frodo and Gandalf enjoy a peaceful Spring in Bag End and make plans for the fall as the Conspirators make plans of their own.


May 20, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Fellowship rests in Minas Tirith.
(not from the appendices)

..."The Hobbits still remained in Minas Tirith, with Legolas and Gimli; for Aragorn was loth for the Fellowship to be dissolved.... ...In those days the Companions of the Ring dwelt together in a fair house with Gandalf, and they went to and fro as they wished."

2. Elrond and Arwen come to Lrien.
(from the appendices-no text)

...[There's nothing in the story or appendices of what occurred to bring Elrond and Arwen to Lothlrien other than to imply they've gone to join with Galadriel and then journey together to Minas Tirith.]




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Today in Middle-earth

May 21-23, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo and Company continue east.
(determined from text - referencing Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."Far behind, the Weather Hills show less and less. Ahead, company begins to see the tops of the Trollshaws. The road becomes rough."

This is a short entry, so let's take a closer look at this:


...Weather Hills span east of Bree-land and north-west of the Lone-lands (located between Bree-land and the Trollshaws along the Great East Road) in central Eriador. Weathertop, or Amon Sl, lays at the southern end of the range.
...When Angmar was formed, the range was fortified (to include Weathertop) by Argeleb I, the seventh king of Dnedain, in an attempt to return Arnor to its former glory. Once the most regal and prominent feature of the Lone-lands rising above the road, Weathertop was a proud tower of vision and vigilance and the home of the strongest palantr of the north. However, it fell in battle to the Witch-king of Angmar, and has sat derelict in the wild ever since.
... Marks of this fortification still existed in the path of Thorin and Company and when Aragorn led the hobbits from Bree to Rivendell. No other peak in any nearby area matches Weathertop's height. Any traveller is affected by its fashion and power and are moved by its ruin.
... While the Weather Hills are not mentioned by name in Tolkien's works, they are referred to and described, usually in connection with Weathertop.
[Info gleaned from Tolkien Gateway and Lotro-Wiki.com]




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May 21, 11:14pm

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... While the Weather Hills are not mentioned by name in Tolkien's works, they are referred to and described, usually in connection with Weathertop.


The Weather Hills might not be mentioned by name in the texts of either The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings, but Tolkien does mention them in Appendix A. They are also named on Christopher Tolkien's maps. Christopher also refers to them in his notes for ALDARION AND ERENDIS in Unfinished Tales.

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May 22, 10:15am

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This is Book Spoiler is about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "The leaders of discontent were Bereg of the house of Bor, and Amlach, one of the grandsons of Marach; and they said openly: 'We took long roads, desiring to escape the perils of Middle-earth and the dark things that dwell there; for we heard that there was Light in the West.... ...now we learn that the Light is beyond the Sea. Thither we cannot come where the Gods dwell in bliss. Save one; for the Lord of the Dark is here before us, and the Eldar, wise but fell, who make endless war upon him. In the North he dwells... ...and there is the pain and death from which we fled. We will not go that way.'
... Then a council and assembly of Men was called, and great numbers came together. And the Elf-friends answered Bereg, saying: 'Truly from the Dark King come all the evils from which we fled; but he seeks dominion over all Middle-earth... ...whither now shall we turn and he will not pursue us? Unless he be vanquished here, or at least held in leaguer. Only by the valour of the Eldar is he restrained, and maybe it was for this purpose, to aid them at need, that we were brought into this land....'
... ...Bereg answered: 'Let the Eldar look to it! Our lives are short enough.' But there arose one who seemed to all to be Amlach son of Imlach, speaking fell words that shook the hearts of all who heard him: 'All this is but Elvish lore, tales to beguile newcomers that are unwary. The Sea has no shore. There is no Light in the West. You have followed a fool-fire of the Elves to the end of the world! Which of you has seen the least of the Gods? Who has beheld the Dark King in the North? Those who seek the dominion of Middle-earth are the Eldar. Greedy for wealth they have delved in the earth for its secrets and have stirred to wrath the things that dwell beneath it... ...Let the Orcs have the realm that is theirs, and we will have ours. There is room in the world, if the Eldar will let us be!'"




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May 22, 2:48pm

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Thanks for the BS, Gramma! This post about divisions among the recently united Men (& Women) reminded me about the divisions among the Elves at Cuivienen. Some refused to follow the Valar at all, some turned away at the Anduin, then getting to Beleriand, some went to Valinor while some stayed behind. Another example is the "faint-hearted" who left Aragorn's march on the Black Gate.

Tolkien treats dissent as something that just naturally comes up, and in his cases, no side is wrong and unheroic. So in this passage, even though they're misled by a specter from Morgoth, a pacifist faction forms and leaves the story, also leaving behind all the heroic and tragic deeds and events. I think it's another sign of this being a book for adults, whereas children's stories are much more likely to showcase one faction as virtuous and the other faction as clearly bad, bad people who shouldn't get cake and ice cream. Just my ruminations for today.


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May 22, 8:43pm

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Each side believes they're right, and Tolkien is incredibly fair to give them voice. This is a wonderful observation of this event and how Tolkien's sensibility appears in other stories. Thank you!!!




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1. Half-way point of principal photography LotR.
TWENTY YEARS AGO on May 23, 2000 was the middle of principal photography for The Lord of the Rings. Peter Jackson had special vests made for the crew to wear to earmark the day.

So to celebrate the day in the here and now, here's a special Book Spoiler to look at things in the middle... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

1. Right away, we have this place called "Middle-earth". Convenient, eh? :D
2. The Gaffer is telling a stranger and others: "I saw Mr. Bilbo when he came back, a matter of sixty years ago, when I was a lad... ...while the sale was on. And in the middle of it all Mr. Bilbo comes up the Hill with a pony..."
3. When Frodo was distributing Bilbo's mathoms: "In the middle of the commotion the Sackville-Bagginses arrived. Frodo had retired for a while... ...When Otho loudly demanded to see Frodo..."
4. "To Frodo's astonishment and distress the wizard threw it suddenly into the middle of the glowing corner of the fire."
5. Gildor invites the hobbits to come along: "'You had best walk in the middle so that you may not stray.'"
6. The hobbits come to Bombadil's: "Nothing could be seen of the house in the dark: it stood back from the lane in the middle of a wide circle of lawn surrounded by a belt of low trees inside the outer hedge."
7. Nob helps out: "'I've ruffled up the clothes and put a bolster down the middle of each bed.'"
8. Aragorn finds a beryl: "'I found it in the mud in the middle of the Bridge'"
9. Bilbo chastises Elrond: "'...you have disturbed me--in the middle of making up a song.'"
10. Saruman monologues to Gandalf: "'The Elder Days are gone. The Middle Days are passing. The Younger Days are beginning.'"
11. Gandalf approaches the door of Moria: "He stepped up to the rock again, and lightly touched with his staff the silver star in the middle beneath the sign of the anvil."
12. Gandalf follows his nose: "'I do not like the feel of the middle way; and I do not like the smell of the left-hand way: there is foul air down there, or I am no guide.'"
13. "The Balrog reached the bridge. Gandalf stood in the middle of the span, leaning on the staff in his left hand, but in his other hand Glamdring gleamed, cold and white."
14. "Merry and Pippin in the middle boat were ill at ease, for Boromir sat muttering to himself, sometimes biting his nails..."
15. "Treebeard lowered himself slowly onto this (with only the slightest sign of bending at his middle)"
16. "'Isengard is a sort of ring of rocks or hills, I think, with a flat space inside and an island or pillar of rock in the middle, called "Orthanc.'"
17. "'Now, now!' said Gimli. 'We are beginning the story in the middle. I should like a tale in the right order, starting with that strange day when your fellowship was broken.'"
18. While Faramir was questioning Frodo: "Sam had been getting more and more impatient and angry at this conversation. These last words were more than he could bear, and bursting into the middle of the ring, he strode up to his master's side."
19. Faramir speaks to Frodo and Sam: "'For so we reckon Men in our lore, calling them the High, or Men of the West, which were Nmenreans, and the Middle Peoples [Encyclopedia of Arda: Descendants of the Edain], Men of the Twilight, such as are the Rohirrim and their kin that dwell still far in the North; and the Wild, the Men of Darkness... ...We are become Middle Men, of the Twilight.'"
20. "...the middle door of the Black Gate was thrown open with a great clang, and out of it there came an embassy from the Dark Tower."
21. "...rage blazed in Sam's heart to a sudden fury. He sprang up, ran, and went up the ladder like a cat. His head came out in the middle of the floor of a large round chamber. A red lamp hung from its roof; the westward window-slit was high and dark. Something was lying on the floor by the wall under the window, but over it a black orc-shape was straddled. It raised a whip a second time, but the blow never fell. With a cry Sam leapt across the floor, Sting in his hand."
22. "Inside it was filled with a grey dust, soft and fine, in the middle of which was a seed, like a small nut with a silver shale."

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23. "'You tried to give us the slip once before and failed, Frodo,' he said. 'This time you have nearly succeeded, but you have failed again. It was not Sam, though, that gave you away this time, but Gandalf himself!'
...'Yes,' said Gandalf; 'for it will be better to ride back three together than one alone. Well, here at last, dear friends, on the shores of the Sea comes the end of our fellowship in Middle-earth. Go in peace! I will not say: do not weep; for not all tears are an evil.'
...Then Frodo kissed Merry and Pippin, and last of all Sam, and went aboard; and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew, and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth; and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore glimmered and was lost."




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This is Book Spoiler is about Elves and Men in The Silmarillion... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Of the Coming of Men into the West: The Silmarillion


... "Then those that listened [to Amlach's doubt] sat for a while astounded, and a shadow of fear fell on their hearts... ...they resolved to depart far from the lands of the Eldar. But afterwards Amlach returned among them, and denied that he had been present at their debate or had spoken such words as they reported; and there was doubt and bewilderment among Men. Then the Elf-friends said: 'You will now believe this at least... ...is indeed a Dark Lo, and his spies and emissaries are among us; for he fears us, and the strength that we may give to his foes....'
... ...some still answered: 'He hates us... ...and ever the more the longer we dwell here, meddling in his quarrel with the Kings of the Eldar, to no gain of ours.' Many therefore of those that yet remained in Estolad made ready to depart... ...Bereg led a thousand of the people of Bor away southwards, and they passed out of the songs of those days. But Amlach repented, saying: 'I have now a quarrel of my own with this Master of Lies, which will last to my life's end'; and he went away north and entered the service of Maedhros. But those of his people who were of like mind with Bereg chose a new leader, and they went back over the mountains into Eriador, and are forgotten."


Courage is not having the strength to go on; it is going on when you don't have the strength." Theodore Roosevelt


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