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Solicitr
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Jun 10, 5:24pm

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We next see him on horseback approaching Aragorn's camp in Rohan (the morning of March 6th according to Tolkien)


Since this camp is visually identifiable as Dunharrow, and Theoden is there (the meeting takes place in Theoden's tent), it could not have taken place before the night of March 9, when Theoden reached DH by mountain-paths from Helm's Deep (never mind that Aragorn had already left through the Dark Door before Theoden ever arrived).


Solicitr
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Jun 10, 5:47pm

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March 5: Voice of Saruman. Camp on Dol Baran; Pippin looks in Palantir. Nazgul just before midnight. G&P ride hard for Edoras, arriving at dawn. Theoden and Aragorn ride for Helm's Deep, picking up the Dunedain on the way

March 6: At the Hornburg Aragorn looks in Palantir, challenges Sauron, sees Corsairs. Rides openly over plain with Grey Company for Edoras. Theoden departs by hidden mountain-paths direct to Dunharrow. G&P leave Edoras after dark bound for MT.

March 7: Aragorn reaches Edoras, rests briefly, goes on to Dunharrow. Theoden in mountains. G&P hide during daylight, ride on after dark. Shortly before midnight 7/8 Denethor orders war-beacons lit and dispatches errand-riders.

March 8 (Full Moon): Just after midnight G&P enter Gondor, see beacons and messengers. (Frodo sees moonset over Forbidden Pool in early hours). Aragorn takes Paths of the Dead in morning, emerges at dusk, rides hard for Erech and arrives at midnight.

March 9: G&P reach Minas Tirith at dawn. Aragorn begins hard ride across central Gondor (will reach Pelargir on the 13th). Theoden reaches Dunharrow, receives the Red Arrow.

March 10: Great Darkness begins. Armies of Mordor set out. Rohirrim begin ride to MT. Faramir arrives at MT.


Otaku-sempai
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Jun 10, 6:06pm

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Since this camp is visually identifiable as Dunharrow, and Theoden is there (the meeting takes place in Theoden's tent), it could not have taken place before the night of March 9, when Theoden reached DH by mountain-paths from Helm's Deep (never mind that Aragorn had already left through the Dark Door before Theoden ever arrived).


You're doubtless correct when we consider the dates from "The Tale of Years", though I'm hesitant to count those as 100% correct for the films, especially as we have a pretty good idea of how far off the years are). And, of course, the timing of Aragorn's departure for the Paths of the Dead is altered by Jackson. Even assuming that Elrond arrives at the camp in the early morning of March 10 (being very generous here), that only gives him less than five days to travel from Rivendell to Harrowdale with no roads to speak of when he starts south, though he could have traveled part of the way on the River Anduin (maybe at a rate of 20 miles per day traveling downstream). Granted, elven-bred horses are probably nearly as fast and sturdy as the Mearas, but still, no good roads. Gandalf and Pippin on Shadowfax seem to have covered about 100 miles per day, but I don't think Elrond could have equaled that feat.

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Jun 10, 8:53pm

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Gandalf and Pippin on Shadowfax seem to have covered about 100 miles per day


By road, and only riding at night. 100mpd is still just at the edge of what a real-world endurance-racing horse can do- and then only for one day.

Originally it was a superhuman (superequine?) 150 per day, but Tolkien was forced to stretch it out when he delayed the Battle of the Pelennor from the 14th to the 15th. He did this because he hadn't given Aragorn and the Grey Company enough time realistically to get from Erech to Pelargir- an example of the sort of care the author put into such matters.


Otaku-sempai
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Jun 11, 12:45am

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Re-read my post. I did make that distinction, if not as clearly as I might have done.

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