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Did Celegorm want revenge on Dior?

ange1e4e5
Gondor

Feb 18, 4:48pm

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Did Celegorm want revenge on Dior? Can't Post

Consider that Celegorm is the one who has the idea to assault Doriath, resulting in the Second Kinslaying. Is it possible that alongside the Feanoreans' mutual pursuit of their Oath, Celegorm had a personal hatred for Dior as the son of Beren, who Luthien chose over him and took Huan from him, and this factored in his call for the Second Kinslaying? I'd be surprised if Celegorm didn't have a grudge against Dior.

I always follow my job through.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Feb 19, 2:30am

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You're probably right [In reply to] Can't Post

that it was at least part of it. But I think the Oath was the overpowering variable here, so even if Celegorm were dead, the other brothers would have likely gone ahead with it. Just look at what happened at the Mouth of Sirion.


InTheChair
Lorien

Feb 19, 9:28pm

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He probably did [In reply to] Can't Post

Was it his idea? They all had taken the oath, so it must have occured to them all, and technically Maidros was the leader. I think Celegorm thing was more to stir them up to actually do it.

Long time since I read it through.


ange1e4e5
Gondor

Feb 19, 9:32pm

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Well, the Oath was of course a big reason, [In reply to] Can't Post

but I think it's no coincidence that Celegorm is the one who incites the Kinslaying in Doriath.


I'd be surprised if he didn't want revenge on Dior in some way, considering how much Dior's father took from him and Celegorm's impulsive personality, and I've envisioned Celegorm singling out Dior to kill personally. Also, consider how many conflicts are started in literature by jilted men:

Harry Potter: Severus Snape's unpleasant behavior towards Harry is heavily influenced by the fact that Harry is the son of James Potter, the man Snape hated because he was the man Lily Evans chose.

Wuthering Heights: Heathcliff ruins the Earnshaw and Linton families because Catherine Earnshaw (I) seemingly jilted him.

A Song of Ice and Fire: Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish instigates a continent-wide civil war to take revenge on House Stark because the lady he wanted married their lord over him.

I always follow my job through.


No One in Particular
Lorien


Feb 20, 2:22am

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Celegorm [In reply to] Can't Post

Less driving force, more satisfying bonus.

"I am driven to regain the Silmaril by the Oath. In doing so I get to kill Dior, whom I am not very fond of for a variety of not very legitimate reasons. Win-win!"

While you live, shine
Have no grief at all
Life exists only for a short while
And time demands an end.
Seikilos Epitaph

 
 

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