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Petition to keep LOTR on Prime true to Tolkien and not TV-MA
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Feb 8, 8:49pm

Post #26 of 30 (191 views)
There's not much resolution there either. [In reply to] Can't Post

The uprising Turin causes ultimately comes to nothing and the Edain in that location are persecuted more than ever.

I always follow my job through.

Chen G.

Feb 8, 8:57pm

Post #27 of 30 (192 views)
Well, its a tragedy [In reply to] Can't Post

but in my take it wasn't quite so downbeat. At least, not immediately.


Feb 10, 5:17pm

Post #28 of 30 (147 views)
petition and objectionable features [In reply to] Can't Post

In general this petition is commendable, a show of true passion of the fans and it's certainly well meaning though the effectiveness of any such petition is unfortunately nearly non-existant. Still while the petitioners raise some interesting points in terms of the certain objectionable features there are things that can be allowed. Since Tolkien stories of Second Age are in Tolkien's own words: "nearly all are grim and tragic" then depiction of violence in more graphic term (though not overdone to the point of slasher horror) is acceptable, sexual themes are even alluded to in the narrative of SA that is one of the best and most complete in this particular setting, the Mariner's Wife has the couple of Aldarion and Erendis discussing their love life in more high style of Tolkien speech but still, plus we have scenes of them in their marriage bedroom:

"That night Erendis awoke, and a sweet fragrance came through the lattice; but the night was light, for the full moon was westering. Then leaving their bed Erendis looked out and saw all the land sleeping in silver; but the two birds sat side by side upon her sill."
Two years later Erendis conceived, and in the spring of the year after she bore to Aldarion a daughter. Even from birth the child was fair, and grew ever in beauty: the woman most beauti≠ful, as old tales tell, that ever was born in the line of Elros, save Ar-Zimraphel, the last. When her first naming was due they called her AncalimŽ. In heart Erendis was glad, for she thought: "Surely now Aldarion will desire a son, to be his heir; and he will abide with me long yet."
""Soon?" she said. "But the years are unrelenting, and you will not bring them back with you. And mine are briefer than yours. My youth runs away; and where are my children, and where is your heir? Too long and often of late is my bed cold. " 22

"Often of late I have thought that you preferred it so," said Aldarion. "But let us not be wroth, even if we are not of like mind. Look in your mirror, Erendis. You are beautiful, and no shadow of age is there yet. You have time to spare to my deep .need. Two years! Two years is all that I ask!"
"For AncalimŽ would let none of her women wed, and although for fear of her most were restrained, they came from the country about and had lovers whom they wished to marry. But Hallacar in secret arranged for them to be wedded; and he declared that he would give a last feast at his own house, before he left it. To this feast he invited AncalimŽ, saying that it was the house of his kindred, and should be given a farewell of courtesy.

AncalimŽ came, attended by all her women, for she did not care to be waited on by men. She found the house all lit and arrayed as for a great feast, and men of the household attired in garlands as for their weddings, and each with another garland in his hands for a bride. "Come!" said Hallacar. "The weddings are prepared, and the bride-chambers ready. But since it cannot be thought that we should ask the Lady AncalimŽ, King's Heir, to lie with a farm-steward, then, alas! she must sleep alone tonight." And AncalimŽ perforce remained there, for it was too far to ride back, nor would she go unattended. Neither men nor women hid their smiles; and AncalimŽ would not come to the feast, but lay abed listening to the laughter far off and thinking it aimed at herself. Next day she rode off in a cold rage, and Hallacar sent three men to escort her. Thus he was revenged, for she came never back to EmeriŽ, where the very sheep seemed to make scorn of her. But she; pursued Hallacar with hatred afterwards."

Nothing particularly explicit here but intimacy between man and woman is clearly happening in these cases. Of course it all depends on how it would be portrayed, everything in moderation. I would say though that where petition is right is to have the closest vision of the whole story to the Tolkien one, we as fans are not waiting for Amazon's tv show for their own artistic vision but for finally portraying wider array of Tolkien stories on screen!

Welsh hero

Mar 10, 9:08pm

Post #29 of 30 (78 views)
We don't even know the direction they're going [In reply to] Can't Post

So the petition may be pointless because they're getting what they want anyway.


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Mar 10, 9:13pm

Post #30 of 30 (77 views)
True. [In reply to] Can't Post

At the same time, no matter what happens with the show, someone is bound to be unhappy with it. I'll guarantee that there are at least a few Tolkien fans who don't want to see any series made at all.


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