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*** Favourite Chapters - The Muster of Rohan (LotR)
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Solicitr
NahoR


Feb 8, 1:29pm

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I think [In reply to] Can't Post

a lot of it derives, in patriarchal societies, from a brother's obligation to be his sister's protector and by extension that of her children as well; if a king, then extend patronage and advancement to her sons. And, of course, in Germanic societies where reciprocal obligations were a cornerstone of personal interactions, the loyalty of nephew to uncle would be equally sacrosanct.

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While we're at it, the line of Elendil began with a sister-son of the King of Numenor.....


noWizardme
Nevle-flah


Feb 9, 12:34pm

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Thanks I like that explanation! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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"Yes, I am half-elven. No, it does not mean that I 'have one pointy ear' "
Sven Elven, proprietor of the Rivendell convenience store.


sador
Nevle-flah


Feb 10, 12:35pm

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My apologies [In reply to] Can't Post

I have not been able to reply to the points you have - and probably will be unable to before Thursday.

So just dropping a thank-you note to you, and all other participants.

Thinking about things I don't understand


noWizardme
Nevle-flah


Feb 10, 1:51pm

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And Thank YOU, sador [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know about anyone else, but I've really enjoyed this discussion. It went to places and insights I wasn't expecting, and I learned a lot from people sharing ideas, information and interpretations (and also pushing me towards a couple of realizations of my own).
If other folks are enjoying it too, maybe it's timely remind everyone that to keep the project running we need a continuous supply of volunteers to take a turn at leading a week. So if that is something you could do, please do head over to the schedule thread to sign up. As I write this we have chapters scheduled for just 2 weeks more (Hamfast Gamgee will finish on 23 February).

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"Yes, I am half-elven. No, it does not mean that I 'have one pointy ear' "
Sven Elven, proprietor of the Rivendell convenience store.


Hamfast Gamgee
SnevaH Yerg

Feb 12, 11:37am

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Why a muster now and not with Saruman? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or perhaps there was and Tolkien never mentioned it. Or was it just down to political paralysis at the top of Rohan?


Solicitr
NahoR


Feb 12, 5:46pm

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No time [In reply to] Can't Post

Theoden had to ride west right now with whatever Riders he had available. A full Muster took days (six in this case)


sador
Nevle-flah


Feb 13, 2:12pm

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Late answers [In reply to] Can't Post


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Stuff like this leaves me with the impression that we're reading a sort of prose version of an epic poem, intercut with Merry's more eye-witness concerns and reports.

That's a good point.



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it seems that we get a bit if history as it's made, and history as it will be remembered. It's not yet time to go all-out epic mode (Tolkien is saving that for the Battle of the Pelennor Fields).

In the Pelennor Fields, we will also get a short glimpse into Merry's viewpoint.




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also imagine the Rohirrim as having bows that can be used by mounted archers, and I suppose those aren't very big, and so might not have huge range. (And if that cues someone who knows a lot about archery or mounted bowmen to post about the possibilities, then please go ahead!

I see this has been widely discussed. There are of course the Parthians as well.




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Edoras naturally has a Golden Gable, hence the Rohirrim children's book 'Eowyn of Golden Gables'.

Heh.
But the heraldry of the House of Eorl is a white horse on a green field, so the gable might have been green...




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Does Tolkien have that Baldor bit in the right place, I wonder? Would it have worked better to mention it before Passing of the Grey Company, so that we go 'a-ha!' when we see the bones?

I think it is better this way. Obviously, the order was necessitated by the scope of The Passing of the Grey Company, and Éowyn's word with Aragorn had to come before this chapter; but still I think it works better this way, adding to the mystery.


Thinking about things I don't understand


Hamfast Gamgee
SnevaH Yerg

Feb 15, 11:36am

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Although if they did have a Muster [In reply to] Can't Post

And with Theoden in full leadership, that army of Saruman would have been made short work of. Although a siege of Orthanc might be costly.


Solicitr
NahoR


Feb 15, 5:40pm

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Well, [In reply to] Can't Post

By the time the Muster was assembled, Rohan would have been overrun. Theoden (or at least Gandalf) knew that his forces in the West were desperately fighting to hold the Fords, and needed reinforcement by yesterday.

It's very significant that Theoden himself led them. It's not impossible that had Throden stayed behind and just sent Eomer, Saruman's army wouldn't have turned aside from the planned invasion to crush the holdouts in Helm's Deep, but in the event, they wanted the King.


(This post was edited by Solicitr on Feb 15, 5:42pm)

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