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Relics in Middel-earth

Tolkien R.J.J
Rivendell


Jan 26, 2:26pm

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So I was thinking about what kind of relics do we see in middle-earth. Objects that are held in high honor and perhaps even contain powers or inspire those who hold them or are near them. Perhaps the shards of Narsil or the white tree of Gondor, or Gimli strand of Galadriel’s hair. I would love to hear of some examples of ancient cites or objects they in some way resembled relics.

“I am in fact a Hobbit (in all but size). I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands; I smoke a pipe, and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking; I like, and even dare to wear in these dull days, ornamental waistcoats. I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field); have a very simple sense of humour (which even my appreciative critics find tiresome); I go to bed late and get up late.”
J.R.R Tolkien


CuriousG
Half-elven


Jan 26, 2:32pm

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Would the Silmarils count? [In reply to] Can't Post

Earendil still has one that he wears while he's sky-sailing, appearing as the Evening/Morning Star to everyone.

And his light went into the Phial of Galadriel, which isn't ancient, but carries special powers. It seems like a saintly relic to me, like a clasp of St Francis's hair or something, since it comes from saintly Galadriel.

Would the palantiri count?


Tolkien R.J.J
Rivendell


Jan 26, 2:36pm

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I think the Sillmarills Count [In reply to] Can't Post

But I guess I was looking more towards those surviving in middel earth in the third age. The Palantiri I think were more just great craftsmanship than a relic.

“I am in fact a Hobbit (in all but size). I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands; I smoke a pipe, and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking; I like, and even dare to wear in these dull days, ornamental waistcoats. I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field); have a very simple sense of humour (which even my appreciative critics find tiresome); I go to bed late and get up late.”
J.R.R Tolkien


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 26, 10:37pm

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The Redbook of Westmarch... and Sam's salt box ;)



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Solicitr
Rohan


Jan 27, 1:15am

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There's the Ring of Barahir, some 7000 years old when Aragorn received it. The (real) Elendilmir discovered in Orthanc is also ancient. There are the swords Orcrist and Glamdring, made in Gondolin in the First Age, and Sting is hinted at being of the same origin. The Elessar, again given to Aragorn. The surviving Palantiri, which may have been made in Valinor in the Age of the Trees. I'm not sure how old the Sceptre of Annuminas is, but the name suggests it predated the division of Arnor, so it's got a couple of millennia under its belt too. Of later date, but still centuries old and held in reverence, are the Arkenstone and the Crown of Gondor. The horn from the horde of Scatha which Eowyn gave Merry, (No clue whether the horn sounded at Helm's Deep was the actual Horn of Helm or just a horn).

Then there are those old rings....


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squire
Half-elven


Jan 27, 5:46am

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Aren't relics supposed to be associated with specific individuals? [In reply to] Can't Post

I know the original request wasn't very clear about the difference between objects that are simply of great antiquity, and objects that are believed to be the personal possessions or remains of a long-dead person. But my understanding is that the term applies to the latter case.

So the objects named in your post, having been held or wielded or worn by a succession of nobles or kings, would seem to be rather heirlooms than relics. Their ancientry is not disputed, but they represent the spirit of a dynasty, not the manifestation of a single honored Man or Elf.

For relics, I'd agree that Galadriel's three golden hairs, which Gimli proposes to preserve in a crystal reliquary, definitely qualify. Likewise the jewel that Tom Bombadil finds in the Barrow, which he associates with a distinct noblewoman of Arnor. Otherwise, Tolkien does not really develop the theme of relics - personal possessions or body parts or preserved garments - in his stories. He may have realized that to do so would be to introduce more of Catholicism to the story than he felt was wise.



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Tolkien R.J.J
Rivendell


Jan 27, 2:08pm

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Salt box, love it [In reply to] Can't Post


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The Redbook of Westmarch... and Sam's salt box ;)


Great stuff thanks lol.

“I am in fact a Hobbit (in all but size). I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands; I smoke a pipe, and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking; I like, and even dare to wear in these dull days, ornamental waistcoats. I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field); have a very simple sense of humour (which even my appreciative critics find tiresome); I go to bed late and get up late.”
J.R.R Tolkien


Tolkien R.J.J
Rivendell


Jan 27, 2:16pm

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There's the Ring of Barahir, some 7000 years old when Aragorn received it. The (real) Elendilmir discovered in Orthanc is also ancient. There are the swords Orcrist and Glamdring, made in Gondolin in the First Age, and Sting is hinted at being of the same origin. The Elessar, again given to Aragorn. The surviving Palantiri, which may have been made in Valinor in the Age of the Trees. I'm not sure how old the Sceptre of Annuminas is, but the name suggests it predated the division of Arnor, so it's got a couple of millennia under its belt too. Of later date, but still centuries old and held in reverence, are the Arkenstone and the Crown of Gondor. The horn from the horde of Scatha which Eowyn gave Merry, (No clue whether the horn sounded at Helm's Deep was the actual Horn of Helm or just a horn).

Then there are those old rings....



More great stuff to look into.

“I am in fact a Hobbit (in all but size). I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands; I smoke a pipe, and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking; I like, and even dare to wear in these dull days, ornamental waistcoats. I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field); have a very simple sense of humour (which even my appreciative critics find tiresome); I go to bed late and get up late.”
J.R.R Tolkien


Tolkien R.J.J
Rivendell


Jan 27, 2:17pm

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thanks.

“I am in fact a Hobbit (in all but size). I like gardens, trees and unmechanized farmlands; I smoke a pipe, and like good plain food (unrefrigerated), but detest French cooking; I like, and even dare to wear in these dull days, ornamental waistcoats. I am fond of mushrooms (out of a field); have a very simple sense of humour (which even my appreciative critics find tiresome); I go to bed late and get up late.”
J.R.R Tolkien


Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Feb 15, 11:33am

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The Palantir? [In reply to] Can't Post

Not for everyone's use, I suppose, but where actually older than the Rings of power!

 
 

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