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General Tolkien question for all true LR geeks!

Solicitr
Rohan


Jan 24, 4:20am

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General Tolkien question for all true LR geeks! Can't Post

This is a serious inquiry, because my faltering memory needs help.

Can anyone here think of any occasion in the text of The Lord of the Rings, aside from Bilbo's party (Thursday 22 September 1418), where Tolkien specified the weekday?

(No, Midyear's Day doesn't count)


squire
Half-elven


Jan 24, 4:42am

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He does use the day names elsewhere, but only in Shire or Bree contexts. [In reply to] Can't Post

Monday:
‘Watch every shadow!’ [Strider] said in a low voice. ‘Black horsemen have passed through Bree. On Monday one came down the Greenway, they say; and another appeared later, coming up the Greenway from the south.’ - LR I-10.
Monday is mentioned several other times in Bree, including once in the return journey in Book VI.

As you say, Bilbo's birthday is on Thursday. Since Tolkien made a point of arranging the Shire calendar so the weekdays are the same for the dates every year, the Thursday of Bilbo's birthday becomes a minor repeating theme, in the hobbit sections of the book:
The next day Frodo became really anxious, and kept a constant look-out for Gandalf. Thursday, his birthday morning, dawned as fair and clear as it had long ago for Bilbo’s great party. - LR I.3

Frodo called Sam into the study.
‘It will be Bilbo’s Birthday on Thursday, Sam,’ he said. ‘And he will pass the Old Took. He will be a hundred and thirty-one!’ - LR VI.9
Saturday and Sunday are mentioned in Frodo's song about the Man in the Moon. (LR I.9)



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Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 24, 5:16am

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Frodo's song at the Prancing Pony [In reply to] Can't Post

And O! the rows of silver dishes
and the store of silver spoons!
For Sunday there's a special pair,
And these they polish up with care
on Saturday afternoons.
...............................
With a ping and a pang the fiddle-strings broke!
the cow jumped over the Moon,
And the little dog laughed to see such fun,
And the Saturday dish went off at a run
with the silver Sunday spoon.

But perhaps you're looking for days of the week in relation to the journey. These were the only mentions of day names off the top of my head.

Ah, I see Squire beat me to it, but I've had a jolly time lost in song lyrics.


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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 24, 5:18am

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In addition... [In reply to] Can't Post

...any time that a specific date is referenced (such as the Council of Elrond on October 25), the weekday can be determined by cross-referencing the Shire Calendar in Appendix D.

#FidelityToTolkien


Solicitr
Rohan


Jan 24, 1:11pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post


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...any time that a specific date is referenced (such as the Council of Elrond on October 25), the weekday can be determined by cross-referencing the Shire Calendar in Appendix D.


I understand that. But what I'm looking for is where the text of the main narrative actually specifies a weekday - as a crosscheck on Appendix D.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jan 24, 3:16pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I cant think of any such contradictions in LotR. However, there is a slight discrepancy in The Hobbit where Gandalf says to Thorin: "And Thrain your father went away on the twenty-first of April, a hundred years ago last Thursday, and has never been seen by you since --"

The Shire Calendar indicates that April 21 would have been a Friday, but Tolkien wouldn't have yet developed that calendar when he was writing The Hobbit. We can still come up with the in-story explanation that the upcoming anniversary would have fallen on a Friday in the Reckoning of the Longbeards. It's speculation of course, but it works.

#FidelityToTolkien


noWizardme
Half-elven


Jan 24, 3:48pm

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Oh No - Bilbo's Birthday was *always* a Thursday? That explains... [In reply to] Can't Post


[Caption - Martin Freeman in a pub being consoled by a friend. He says "It must be a Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." Mr Freeman is appearing as Arthur Dent in a film of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy rather than as Bilbo, but if you ask me that's just a detail and rather spoils things...]

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"Yes, I am half-elven. No, it does not mean that 'I have one pointy ear' "
Sven Elven, proprietor of the Rivendell convenience store.


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noWizardme
Half-elven


Jan 24, 3:51pm

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If you have an LOTR eBook... [In reply to] Can't Post

If you have an LOTR eBook, could you search the text for each weekday in turn ? That should give you a comprehensive list of every time Monday, Tuesday.... appears

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"Yes, I am half-elven. No, it does not mean that 'I have one pointy ear' "
Sven Elven, proprietor of the Rivendell convenience store.


Solicitr
Rohan


Jan 24, 4:48pm

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Convenient as that would be, [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't.


Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Jan 24, 9:10pm

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I was thinking of that one [In reply to] Can't Post

And as the Earth gets destroyed in the next scene, that is a really inconvenient Thursday!

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Lissuin
Valinor


Jan 24, 9:25pm

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NoWiz - winner of Hitchhiker's Guide Hobbit Mashup Caption Contest XLll. Perfect. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Jan 24, 11:07pm

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I would just like to take a moment to observe [In reply to] Can't Post

I gather one of the books one Squire's prodigious shelf is a concordance of LOTR? Because apparently he answered that unbelieveably wonkish question in two minutes, I'm just sayin'.

At four-thirty in the morning.


Kimi
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Jan 25, 1:39am

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Also Wednesday [In reply to] Can't Post

but only in the context of that Thursday birthday:

"Then the weather clouded over. That was on Wednesday the eve of the Party. Anxiety was intense. Then Thursday, September the 22nd, actually dawned."


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ElanorTX
Grey Havens


Jan 25, 8:55am

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JRRT observes [In reply to] Can't Post

that "the last day (Friday/Highday) of the week was the chief day ... Saturday thus corresponds more nearly to our Monday, and Thursday to our Saturday."
and "I have therefore in Bilbo's song used Saturday and Sunday instead of Thursday and Friday."
See the last pages of Appendix D.
So Fiesta Friday could be used as is, or to be precise Fiesta Sunday.
ElanorTX

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