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Today in Middle-earth

December 21, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. The Fellowship prepares to depart.
(not from the appendices)

..."The Sword of Elendil was forged anew by elvish smiths, and on its blade was traced a device of seven stars set between the crescent Moon and the rayed Sun... ...above them were written many runes; for Aragorn son of Arathorn was going to war upon the marches of Mordor. Very bright was that sword when it was made whole again; the light of the sun shone redly in it, and the light of the moon shone cold, and its edge was hard and keen. And Aragorn gave it a new name and called it Andúril, Flame of the West."


December 21, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Shire is reborn.
(not from the appendices)

..."...the labour of repair went on apace, and Sam was kept very busy. Hobbits can work like bees when the mood and the need comes to them. Now there were thousands of willing hands of all ages, from the small but nimble... ...hobbit lads and lasses to the well-worn and horny ones of the gaffers and gammers. Before Yule not a brick was left standing of the new Shirriff-houses or of anything that had been built by 'Sharkey's Men'; but the bricks were used to repair many an old hole, to make it snugger and drier. Great stores of goods and food, and beer, were found that had been hidden away... ...in sheds and barns and deserted holes, and especially in the tunnels at Michel Delving and in the old quarries at Scary; so that there was a great deal better cheer that than anyone had hoped for."


December 21, 3021 (S.R. 1421)
1. The Shire is back to normal... for some.
(not from the appendices-no text)

...Rosie watches Sam as he quietly leads in the renewal of the Shire, tends to their gardens outside the windows of Bag End, and delights in play with baby Elanor. But she also sees him as he stands still in the garden resting heavily against his hoe looking to the distant west beyond the mountains and across the sea.



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Today in Middle-earth

December 22, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. The Hobbits relax before departing.
(not from the appendices)

..."In those last days the hobbits sat together in the evening in the Hall of Fire, and there among many tales they heard told in full the lay of Beren and Lúthien and the winning of the Great Jewel; but in the day, while Merry and Pippin were out and about, Frodo and Sam were to be found with Bilbo in his own small room. Then Bilbo would read passages from his book... ...or scraps of his verses, or would take notes of Frodo's adventures."

December 22, 2000
1. Principal photography ends.

......Principal photography for Peter Jackson's 3-film adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's saga The Lord of the Rings is completed. After nearly 3 months of cast preparation in swordplay, boating, dancing and dialect coaching, concurrent filming for the 3-part story began on October 11, 1999 and was finished on December 22, 2000. However, it was not the end of photography as there were "pick up" shots before each subsequent film's release. For an average of 6 weeks each year, "pick ups" were shot from 2001 through 2004...after Return of the King's 11-Oscar Award sweep on February 29, 2004 for a total of 17 Oscar Awards won for the trilogy.



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Dec 22 2019, 3:14pm

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after Return of the King's 11-Oscar Award sweep on February 29, 2004 for a total of 17 Oscar Awards won for the trilogy


17 Oscars for movies that include talking, walking trees? The hobbit hero doesn't even get a girl in the end, just a silly boat. Preposterous! The masses will watch anything these days. Wink


grammaboodawg
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Dec 23 2019, 12:25pm

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This is quite a long post as Bilbo and Frodo have one more quiet visit. So I'm offering it in 2 parts. Here's the first as...

Tomorrow in Middle-earth.

December 24, 3018 (S.R. 1418) pt.1
1. The time has almost come to depart.
(not from the appendices)

..."On the morning of the last day Frodo was alone with Bilbo, and the old hobbit pulled out from under his bed a wooden box. He lifted the lid and fumbled inside.
...'Here is your sword.... ...But it was broken, you know. I took it to keep it safe, but I've forgotten to ask if the smiths could mend it. No time now. So I thought, perhaps, you would care to have this, don't you know?'
...He took from the box a small sword in an old shabby leather scabbard. Then he drew it, and its polished and well-tended blade glittered suddenly, cold and bright. 'This is Sting,' he said, and thrust it with little effort deep into a wooden beam. 'Take it... ...I shan't want it again, I expect.'
...Frodo accepted it gratefully.
...'Also there is this!' said Bilbo, bringing out a parcel which seemed to be rather heavy for its size. He unwound several folds of old cloth, and held up a small shirt of mail. It was close-woven of many rings, as supple almost as linen, cold as ice... ...harder than steel. It shone like moonlit silver, and was studded with white gems. With it was a belt of pearl and crystal.
...'It's a pretty thing, isn't it?' said Bilbo, moving it in the light. 'And useful. It is my dwarf-mail that Thorin gave me. I got it back from Michel Delving... ...and packed it with my luggage. I brought all the mementoes of my Journey away with me, except the Ring. But I did not expect to use this, and I don't need it now, except to look at sometimes. You hardly feel any weight when you put it on.'
...'I should look—well, I don't think I should look right in it,' said Frodo.
...'Just what I said myself... ...But never mind about looks. You can wear it under your outer clothes. Come on! You must share this secret with me. Don't tell anybody else! But I should feel happier if I knew you were wearing it. I have a fancy it would turn even the knives of the Black Riders,' he ended in a low voice.
...'Very well, I will take it,' said Frodo. Bilbo put it on him, and fastened Sting upon the glittering belt; and then Frodo put over the top his old weather-stained breeches, tunic, and jacket.
...'Just a plain hobbit you look... ...But there is more about you now than appears on the surface. Good luck to you!' He turned away and looked out of the window, trying to hum a tune."



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Dec 23 2019, 12:31pm

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CuriousG
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Dec 23 2019, 2:23pm

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Or so it seems. Most of the time he seems like he's got a rather flighty mind and can't really focus on anything of importance, but this scene I find very touching as he acknowledges on a personal level how dangerous Frodo's quest is, and that he (Bilbo) basically got him stuck with it via finding the Ring in the first place.

A couple other things:
1. Michel Delving is mentioned: The Shire has a museum, and whether it charges admission or not doesn't matter, just that it has a museum. Really hard to picture any other place they visit having one.

2. I love this description of Sting and how easily an old, non-martial hobbit can thrust it into the wood. It gives me the feeling that Sting is better than most swords, and it's good to think that Frodo has it. And of course it's cool that things from The Hobbit carry over into LOTR.


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He took from the box a small sword in an old shabby leather scabbard. Then he drew it, and its polished and well-tended blade glittered suddenly, cold and bright. 'This is Sting,' he said, and thrust it with little effort deep into a wooden beam.




grammaboodawg
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Dec 24 2019, 12:09pm

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This is quite a long post as Bilbo and Frodo have one more quiet visit. So I'm offering it in 2 parts. Here's the second as...

Today in Middle-earth.

December 24, 3018 (S.R. 1418) pt.2
1. The time has almost come to depart.
(not from the appendices)

..."'I cannot thank you as I should, Bilbo... ...and for all your past kindnesses,' said Frodo.
...'Don't try!' said the old hobbit, turning round and slapping him on the back. 'Ow!' he cried. 'You are too hard now to slap! but there you are: hobbits must stick together, and especially Bagginses. All I ask in return is take as much care of yourself as you can, and bring back all the news you can, and any old songs and tales you can... ...I'll do my best to finish my book before you return. I should like to write the second book, if I am spared.' He broke off and turned to the window again singing softly.'

I sit beside the fire and think
of all that I have seen,
of meadow-flowers and butterflies
in summers that have been;

Of yellow leaves and gossamer
in autumns that there were,
with morning mist and silver sun
and wind upon my hair.

I sit beside the fire and think
of how the world will be
when winter comes without a spring
that I shall ever see.

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood in every spring
that I shall ever see.

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood in every spring
there is a different green.

I sit beside the fire and think
of people long ago,
and people who will see a world
that I shall never know.

But all the while I sit and think
of times there were before,
I listen for returning feet
and voices at the door'."



(Tolkien, 1965 Ballantine, p.364 FotR)



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grammaboodawg
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Dec 24 2019, 12:43pm

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Bilbo's emotions have got to be overwhelming. He knows what Frodo and the other hobbits will be facing just based on his experience with Mirkwood and orcs. But I think sitting with stricken Frodo so near death compounds the anxiety and fear.
This time with Sting and seeing its hidden power is something I watched for in the film.



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Dec 24 2019, 3:58pm

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This time with Sting and seeing its hidden power is something I watched for in the film.


It seemed a short, easy to film thing to include that is significant. Oh well, next time.


grammaboodawg
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Today in Middle-earth

December 25, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. The Company of the Ring leaves Rivendell at dusk.
(from the appendices)

..."...It was a cold grey day near the end of December... ...They were to start at dusk, for Elrond counselled them to journey under the cover of night as often as they could, until they were far from Rivendell.
...'You should fear the many eyes of the servants of Sauron,' he said. 'I do not doubt that news of the discomfiture of the Riders has already reached him, and he will be filled with wrath. Soon now his spies on foot and wing will be abroad... ...Even of the sky above you must beware as you go on your way.'
...The Company took little gear of war, for their hope was in secrecy not in battle. Aragorn had Andúril but no other weapon, and he went forth clad only in rusty green and brown, as a ranger of the wilderness. Boromir had a long sword, in fashion like Andúril but of less lineage, and he bore also a shield and his war-horn.
...'Loud and clear it sounds in the valleys of the hills,' he said, 'and then let all the foes of Gondor flee!' Putting it to his lips he blew a blast, and the echoes leapt from rock to rock, and all that heard that voice in Rivendell sprang to their feet.
...'Slow should you be to wind that horn again, Boromir,' said Elrond, 'until you stand once more on the borders of your land, and dire need is on you.'
...'Maybe... ...But always I have let my horn cry at setting forth, and though thereafter we may walk in the shadows, I will not go forth as a thief in the night.'
...Gimli the dwarf alone wore openly a short shirt of steel-rings... ...and in his belt was a broad-bladed axe. Legolas had a bow and a quiver, and at his belt a long white knife. The younger hobbits wore the swords that they had taken from the barrow; but Frodo took only Sting; and his mail-coat, as Bilbo wished, remained hidden. Gandalf bore his staff, but girt at his side was the Elven-sword Glamdring, the mate of Orcrist that lay now upon the breast of Thorin under the Lonely Mountain.
...All were well furnished by Elrond with thick warm clothes, and they had jackets and cloaks lined with fur. Spare food and clothes and blankets and other needs were laden on a pony, none other than the poor beast that they had brought from Bree.
...The stay in Rivendell had worked a great wonder... ...on him: he was glossy and seemed to have the vigour of youth. It was Sam who had insisted on choosing him, declaring that Bill (as he called him) would pine, if he did not come.
...'That animal can nearly talk... ...and would talk, if he stayed here much longer. He gave me a look as plain as Mr. Pippin could speak it: "If you don't let me go with you, Sam, I'll follow on my own."' So Bill was going as the beast of burden, yet he was the only member of the Company that did not seem depressed."






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So Bill was going as the beast of burden, yet he was the only member of the Company that did not seem depressed.



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Dec 26 2019, 12:49pm

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Today in Middle-earth

December 26, 3018 (S.R. 1418)
1. The Fellowship sets out.
(not from the appendices)

... "…turning southwards [they] went on by narrow paths among the folded lands. Their purpose was to hold this course west of the Mountains for many miles and days. The country was much rougher and more barren than in the green vale of the great River in Wilderland on the other side of the range, and their going would be slow; but they hoped in this way to escape the notice of unfriendly eyes. The spies of Sauron had hitherto seldom been seen in this empty country... ...the paths were little known except to the people of Rivendell.
...Gandalf walked in front, and with him went Aragorn, who knew this land even in the dark. The others were in file behind, and Legolas whose eyes were keen was the rearguard."



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Dec 26 2019, 3:50pm

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There seems to have been a pass over the Misty Mountains that was located in the Lone-lands between Rivendell and Eregion, and would have taken them to the River Gladden and near the Gladden Fields. I presume it was impassible in winter and the company hoped for better luck with the Redhorn Pass (we know how that worked out).

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Dec 27 2019, 10:25am

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Had glass (of any kind) been invented in Middle-earth? [In reply to] Can't Post

No one seems to wear spectacles; the Dwarves depended on their youngest and Bilbo in The Hobbit, and the Fellowship on Legolas in LotR.

Is there any mention of glass drinking vessels, window panes, beads, etc.?

What about the palantiri and the Phial of Galadriel? Were they made in ME? Sam at least knows the word glass.

"I shall not wholly fail if anything can still grow fair in days to come."



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Dec 27 2019, 1:06pm

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There are numerous references to drinking glasses [In reply to] Can't Post

 in The Hobbit and in the Shire portions of LotR.

At last they pushed their chairs back, and Bilbo made a move to collect the plates and glasses. - TH I.

[Frodo] gave orders for more wine to be served; then he got up and drained his own glass silently to the health of Bilbo... - LR I.1.

There are also jokes about mirrors in both books, both in hobbit and Elven culture as received by the hobbits.

Glass beads are mentioned, as cheap substitutes for jewels, again in the context of hobbit life.

Mundane glass artifacts (i.e. not the palantirs or Galadriel's phial) are not mentioned in the later sections of The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings, although the narrator uses glass as a simile or metaphor quite often. One might conclude, in answer to your question, that the more modern Hobbits and and more magical Elves had glass, but the more medievally-heroic Men of Laketown, Rohan, and Gondor did not!



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Dec 27 2019, 1:36pm

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Today in Middle-earth

December 27, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bilbo, Gandalf and Beorn finally arrive at Beorn's house.
(determined from text & no text)

..."Gandalf and Bilbo had come all the way back, along both edges of the Forest, to the doors of Beorn's house; and there for a while they both stayed."
...After travelling more than 480 miles from the Lonely Mountain, Gandalf and Bilbo looked forward to their winter refuge with Beorn. When they approached the home from the north, they could see smoke rising from the chimney and a warm glow from the windows. Clearly Beorn's wonderful animals knew their master was returning and had everything made ready.



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Dec 27 2019, 2:08pm

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Elrond's people would certainly be aware of all passages surrounding Rivendell, but there's a special direction and need here. Then there's the weather.... right... :|



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Dec 27 2019, 2:25pm

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That was fun! :D
There's also the reference Gandalf makes after Frodo's injury that "he may become like a glass filled with a clear light..." That imagery gives me goosebumps!





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There's also the reference Gandalf makes after Frodo's injury that "he may become like a glass filled with a clear light..." That imagery gives me goosebumps!



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Dec 27 2019, 7:19pm

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glass spectacles. Lack of imagination, I suppose, or no one thought much of what happened when light passed through it. So, it's not unrealistic that ME has glassware but no spectacles. People near-sighted from birth like me would never have been allowed in the Fellowship. :(


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Dec 27 2019, 9:37pm

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Or, more mundanely, Tolkien just liked the light-in-a-glass imagery and used it more than once...



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In The Quest of Erebor, Gandalf rebukes Thorin, telling him "this Halfling eats with silver tools, and drinks wine out of shapely crystal."

And the debris from Bilbo's birthday party includes bottles


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Dec 28 2019, 12:19am

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how to make the glasses small and light enough to wear... I mean, if looking out the bottom of a glass you've just drunk from made one realize they could see things better.


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