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Has anyone ever compared film and book scenes?

Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Nov 20 2019, 8:47pm

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Has anyone ever compared film and book scenes? Can't Post

I know, I know. The books vs films (both LOTR and TH) have been discussed ad nauseum on here for the past twenty years Tongue
But I was more curious to see if anyone had compiled a list scene-for-scene of which scenes were solely in the books, which were in the films, and which were in both?

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be curious to see such a compilation Smile It would be neat to see a list of what scenes were true to books, what book scenes were cut, and what scenes were very modified and/or switched up from the books.

Anyone done this?

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Ataahua
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Nov 20 2019, 9:41pm

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Not that I'm aware of, at least on TORN. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd be surprised if something like it isn't somewhere on the web.

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squire
Half-elven


Nov 20 2019, 11:15pm

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It would be a fun project [In reply to] Can't Post

As Annael says, it might well have already been done.

The starting point, which your question glosses over a bit, is to decide what constitutes a "scene". You refer to 'book scenes' and 'scenes solely in the books', so you must have something in mind that would allow us to subdivide the book into discrete parts smaller than the chapters. If one did that first, without reference to the movie, one might find that the movie scenes actually are not in accord with the book scenes in a clear enough way to make the comparisons that are the point of the project.

Not that it couldn't be done! I think a critical mind could find a really good middle road to achieve what you want. But I think it would be more work than many people would bargain for.

Want to try it?



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Solicitr
Rohan

Nov 21 2019, 1:21am

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Well, [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think it would be hard to come up with a list of scenes in the movies that simply don't exist in the book, and in film "scene" is a pretty firmly-defined unit.


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2019, 1:48am

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Oh heavens no! O.O [In reply to] Can't Post

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Saruman
Bree


Nov 21 2019, 3:47pm

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Off the top of my head... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't have time to compile such a master list, but if broken down by chapter, perhaps it's doable.

"At the Sign of the Prancing Pony" jumps out at me. There were so many things the movie got right, but also things that were left out or gone awry.

In the book...
1) The doorwarden of Bree doesn't die.
2) Merry goes off on his own and encounters a Black Rider, falling to the Black Breath. Would have loved to see this on film.
3) Frodo gets a little tipsy and sings atop a table, loosing his balance and falling, in the process putting on the Ring. This makes much more sense than him tripping without singing and the Ring guiding itself onto his finger.
4) Aragorn doesn't toss Frodo around like a ragdoll.
5) Bill Ferny is one of Saruman's spies and is described very vividly. Would have liked to have seen him in there.
6) There's no Nob. Which I suppose is alright.
7) Barliman is crucial with his late letter from Gandalf. This aspect of Barliaman & Gandalf's relationship is omitted from the film.

There's more, no doubt.

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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
Rohan


Dec 1 2019, 10:06pm

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Ah, but you forgot the most important one... [In reply to] Can't Post

(8) Barliman Butterbur turning his entire head around to stare at Strider when questioned about him by Frodo, instead of - and I quote from page 156 of The Fellowship Of The Ring - "cocking an eye without turning his head".

This is such a minor nitpick, but it drives me insane every time I watch Fellowship. I mean, even Frodo was able to discreetly glance in Strider's direction without making it obvious! I can excuse so many things in Peter Jackson's films, but not that.

Anyway, carry on.

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Solicitr
Rohan

Dec 2 2019, 12:17am

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Much more broadly than that [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book, Bree is (at first) a respite- a friendly, homey place, where the houses may be a little tall, but there are hobbits around, the Big People are (except Ferny) friendly, and the food and beer are very good. It only gradually takes on more sinister undertones- and the first sinister undertone is the hooded Ranger in the corner.

Whereas PJ made the place completely ominous and threatening, the Pony a hangout for Middle-earth's scoundrels, rogues, bandits, road agents, highwaymen, cutpurses, and hired killers- certainly the extras all look that way (emphasized by sloppy quaffing).

Then there is the accidental Ring-donning filmed as Enter Noisy Terrifying Nightmare Dimension (with immediate Nazgul Alert broadcast).

And then of course he has Strider rough up Frodo (WTH?), and caps it with, of course, having the Nazgul themselves (not Ferny and friends) raid the Pony and (apparently) murder the hobbits in their beds, because (as always) the book just wasn't kewl enough for PJ's comic-book sensibilities


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Paulo Gabriel
Rivendell

Dec 9 2019, 8:34am

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Again echoing Joan Barger. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Jackson gave himself cameos all over the place, only removing his own several minutes of sword-fight scene from ROTK-M after having decided to give Lee's Saruman the heave-ho (and such an insult to someone who is truly a legend in fantasy and film is particularly gratuitous, given what Jackson decided to replace him with) ó but already having given himself the luxury of appearing at Helm's Deep and at Bree, in what ought to have been a warning as so much else: belching directly into the camera at the audience, as he turns the homely town of Bree into a haunted house. Then there are the magical teleporting Jackson-Walshes, his and his colleague's children also turning up everywhere from Hobbiton to Rohan to Gondor. This is self-indulgence, and prima donna behaviour, and inexcusable. An artist's first concern should be his art: not silly prancing and coy in-jokes before the camera, but the material being recreated, is his proper concern".

Bravo, sir!

I will post the rest tomorrow.


Paulo Gabriel
Rivendell

Dec 20 2019, 4:45pm

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The other relevant quote which seems to agree with you. [In reply to] Can't Post

''This is why I say that Jackson et al failed in Bree -- by making it from the start a place of dank, dark, gloomy ugliness, and by losing the warmth and brightness of The Prancing Pony, timbers and tavernkeep together, they lost the opportunity to heighten the dramatic contrast between the apparently-real and normal world which the Fellowship is leaving behind, this safe can't-happen-here, where people feel secure that any bad crazy stuff is limited to suspicious furrin parts -- until the Black Riders show up. -- A point that does happen to have some bearing on real life as well, given how often after some crime or other one reads or hears shocked people saying "You never think of things like that happening here!" Ironically, given that horror is what Jackson is known for, he fails to make it really frightening, because he overdoes the cobwebs and pipe-organ, so to speak''.

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