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Our island volcano is erupting.

Kimi
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Dec 9 2019, 4:40am

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Whakaari / White Island is a very active volcano about 50 km off the coast of the Bay of Plenty region. When I was growing up in the coastal town of Opotiki, White Island was a constant presence, sometimes almost peaceful, other times billowing great clouds of smoke and delivering a thin layer of sulphur. I no longer live in the Bay, but it's never far from my memory.

Today the volcano has had a large eruption, and among the tourists who were on the island there have been some serious injuries. Some people are still to be accounted for.

A frightening time, and a sobering reminder of how quickly conditions can change.

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Dec 9 2019, 4:47am

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Horrifying.

I'm glad there weren't even more people out there--I see they've revised the numbers downward.

I remember when Mt. St. Helens here in Washington state went off. Hard to fathom something so sudden, and so completely outside of our control.

I'm glad you're not living near anymore.



Cirashala
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Dec 9 2019, 5:38am

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Prayers to everyone involved! How scary ;( [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope and pray that no one dies from this, and that the company will enact a no visitors policy whenever there is uptick in activity in the future. So scary! Frown

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Dec 9 2019, 5:44am

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One fatality confirmed so far :( // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Kimi
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Dec 9 2019, 8:17am

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Five now confirmed to have died, c. 20 still missing. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Annael
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Dec 9 2019, 4:27pm

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but we had MONTHS of warning for Mount St. Helens [In reply to] Can't Post

the people that were killed then had been told to get out days before and refused. Did this eruption take everyone by surprise?

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Dec 9 2019, 4:35pm

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It seems it was without warning [In reply to] Can't Post

from what I've read.
I was living in NY when St. Helens went off, so I wasn't aware about the warnings until afterwards when they reported on it. I may be remembering wrong, but I think I remember reading that people didn't take the warnings seriously, because it had been dormant for so long, and because volcanoes in the lower 48 just didn't seem like a "thing that could happen."



Ataahua
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Dec 9 2019, 7:18pm

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It's believed there are eight people still on the island, [In reply to] Can't Post

none of whom are alive. The NZ Defence Force is sending in drones this morning for another reconnaissance.

Here's the latest news: https://www.stuff.co.nz/...-white-island-erupts

Kimi, I had forgotten that you'd grown up on the east coast. Heart

I have to give the police plaudits for stating early that there were no signs of life on Whakaari. One of the cruelties of the Pike River Mine disaster was that families were given hope that there might be survivors when it was obvious to mine experts (including former Pike workers) that people further inside the mine could not have lived through the first explosion. The announcement about Whakaari must has been a hard one to make, but it was the right one.

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Annael
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Dec 9 2019, 8:11pm

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It was on the news here in Washington every day in the weeks leading up. There were minor eruptions before the big one. But I don't think anyone expected it to blow the way it did, out the north side of the mountain instead of straight up.

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Dec 9 2019, 9:31pm

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Oh, I meant no warning about this NZ volcano [In reply to] Can't Post

I just didn't hear them about St. Helens until after the fact. And yes, now I do remember about it blowing out the side.

I read an account a long time ago about some hikers who were there at the time, but I can't remember any details.



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Dec 10 2019, 3:33am

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I know there were a few residents [In reply to] Can't Post

St. Helens was before my time, but we went to the park when I was a kid. Apparently some long-time residents refused to leave their homes and died, and I think you're right some hikers got caught up in it too.

IIRC the main danger with St. Helens was the lahars/flooding, the MASSIVE landslide/explosion, and the ash and pyroclastic cloud that decimated the surrounding areas. The ash, I was told, blew all over the US. The rock from the side where it blew spewed all over the place, and 57 people died in the eruption.

It's crazy to see St. Helens now after looking at the before pictures. It lost over 1200 feet (approximately 400 meters) of height O.o According to Wikipedia, the blast from that one measured 24 megatons of thermal energy. It is a constant and humbling reminder that nature is not tame.

Does anyone know if there will be legal action against the tour companies for failing to heed the elevated warning levels and permitting the tours to continue? Will they be held responsible for the deaths of those who perished because of their negligence?

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Ataahua
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Dec 10 2019, 4:07am

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The broad answer is no. [In reply to] Can't Post

Followed by 'in a way'.

NZ's Accident Compensation Act means that people and companies can't be sued for personal injury, and the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) pays for health care and rehab (in a perfect world). However companies (I'm not sure about individuals) can be charged in court with health and safety breaches.

However, since the Pike River Mine disaster and the collapse of the CCTV building in the 2011 Christchurch earthquake, new legislation under the Health and Safety at Work Act established 'officers' under the Act - a person who holds a very senior leadership position in an organisation and has the ability to significantly influence the management of that organisation. They can be held personally responsible for health and safety breaches. The organisation itself also has a duty of care to keep its employees safe.

So, it's a little complicated, but there's no private suing through NZ courts for compensation.

However, I did see speculation in a news story that passengers of the cruise ship, who booked their tickets through the US, might have a case to sue the cruise-liner.

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Ataahua
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Dec 10 2019, 4:22am

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Speaking of criminal charges... [In reply to] Can't Post

The police have opened a criminal investigation into the deaths and injuries on Whakaari/White Island. This will run alongside WorkSafe New Zealand's health and safety investigation, which (among other things) administers the Adventure Activities Regulations.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Annael
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Dec 10 2019, 4:32am

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yes, there was old Harry Truman who wouldn't leave his cabin despite the rangers trying to get him to leave, and the geologist who was there taking pictures. I don't remember hikers getting killed, but I do remember people being caught in the ash cloud who had quite the time getting out.

But the difference is that they were warned and had a choice. Sounds like the people who went to the island had no such warning. Still, nature's unpredictable. I live in an earthquake zone . . .

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Dec 10 2019, 12:38pm

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I just saw it on the news... so terrible for those who were there and close-by. It is incredible that people were there when the signs it was building up were so apparent. But... that could be fairly normal to those who are there.

I'm also scared that this means more activity throughout the islands that just started here. Prayers for those who are lost and injured. This is so sad...



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Dec 11 2019, 12:20am

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Agree, I remember the lead up to Mt. St. Helens for weeks and I live in Illinois. [In reply to] Can't Post

I read this White Island volcano had been giving off signs before the cruise ship entourage. There is a photo of people standing around the crater deep inside. No thanks.


Ataahua
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Dec 11 2019, 7:48pm

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Sadly, the death toll is now eight. [In reply to] Can't Post

This doesn't include the eight bodies on the island.

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Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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