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New audition tapes for Amazon’s Lord of the Rings hint at Numenor

Althoun
Lorien

Nov 27 2019, 1:47am

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Courtesy of the canny sleuths at Redanian Intelligence (who found the earlier audition videos for the roles of Tyra, Eldien, Beldor and Aric), new ones have been found and transcribed for 'Brac', 'Kari', 'Loda' and 'Hansom':

https://redanianintelligence.com/2019/11/27/new-audition-tapes-for-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-hint-numenor/


(This post was edited by Althoun on Nov 27 2019, 1:49am)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 27 2019, 2:04am

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Spoiler alert: it isn't!

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Archestratie
Rivendell


Nov 27 2019, 12:16pm

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Courtesy of the canny sleuths at Redanian Intelligence (who found the earlier audition videos for the roles of Tyra, Eldien, Beldor and Aric), new ones have been found and transcribed for 'Brac', 'Kari', 'Loda' and 'Hansom':

https://redanianintelligence.com/2019/11/27/new-audition-tapes-for-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-hint-numenor/


Nice find. They're going to have a really hard time keeping this show secret.

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The Dude
The Shire

Nov 27 2019, 1:14pm

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- The lines of dialogue (meandering between hackneyed modern TV, soap-opera, boilerplate fantasy, and, very occasionally at that, faux-Tolkien).
- The potential spoilers they give away about the show (I am not entirely opposed to a subplot about N¨˛menorean colonialism but in the wrong hands this could quickly descend into an unmitigated disaster.)
- Maybe worst of all, the short descriptions of the characters - all of them read like focus group-tested cardboard characters.

But then again, I am wholly unfamiliar with the inner workings of the casting process of a mega-production such as this one. So who knows, maybe all of this does not mean anything for the final show.


Mari D.
Rivendell


Nov 27 2019, 1:39pm

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... these seem to be tonally in line with the ones we read previously.

I am pleased to see that they make use of various life scenarios, as in, what the peoples' situation in life is, so there should be some variation there.

The style, well ... I guess the real scripts will be much better; like with the previous texts I think what we have here is simply what happens when you try to disguise a text, wanting to use it to help actors show certain emotions, but not much more than that, so you don't put too much effort into the disguise - which in turn means it can't be of very high literary quality.

I notice that the dialogues have snippets of very specific emotional moments, somewhat crammed together.
This way the sentences don't make for a very good flow of thought within the dialogues, but might be just what's needed to have an actor display several relevant moods within a short time.

The emotions or moods aimed for, I don't think would be *wrong* for a Second Age series. Tolkienesque for me doesn't mean limiting the range of emotions characters can have, but rather, to have a certain way of storytelling, narrating when talking about these emotions etc. So whether with the right dialogue and the right directing these emotions can create a Tolkien-like feel will remain to be seen. I hope they will. Laugh

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Question: Did the actors know what series they were applying for?

Because if not, that would mean that of course they'd have had to use more ordinary language to not give that away.


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2ndBreffest
Lorien


Nov 27 2019, 3:22pm

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if any of what we have seen so far is any indication of what's to come, I'll be giving this one a hard miss.


Archestratie
Rivendell


Nov 27 2019, 5:01pm

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if any of what we have seen so far is any indication of what's to come, I'll be giving this one a hard miss.

I bet you'll watch it anyway.

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2ndBreffest
Lorien


Nov 27 2019, 5:45pm

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that will require signing up for amazon prime, and if I don't think this looks like something I would want to see, the chances of that happening are not good.


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Nov 27 2019, 7:53pm

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is really unlikely to make it into the actual series. I have little doubt that any dialogue, character names, etc are just merely for the audition process to gauge the actors' ability to exhibit various emotions and vocal inflections at the drop of a hat.

Quintessentially, they're testing how well these folks can act, no matter what dialogue they are given. Choppy dialogue is excellent for testing an actor's ability to adapt and emote even under difficult conditions (for example, can they go from sobbing and emotional to comical and jovial, or from carefree to drop dead serious, etc without needing lots of time to recalibrate their brain and make the shift), and any actor that can pull it off would, IMHO, be a good asset to the team.

I know you don't particularly care for the current adaptations of Tolkien's works on the market and that is your perogative. Art is subjective, after all Smile. But I wouldn't judge the upcoming show based upon audition names and tapes simply because they're extremely unlikely to actually make it into the final product.

No matter how much we dissect, categorize, judge, and infer from these snippets, it all comes down to the fact that this is simply how casting is done (especially when they're utterly determined to keep actual details from leaking prior to airing the show). Like it or hate it, that's how the industry works.

I will reserve judgment until I actually see the show. If it sucks, then I simply won't watch it. If it doesn't, then I'll enjoy it as another foray into Middle-earth on screen.

(PS-just tossing this out there. I don't know if you're American or not, but if I recall correctly, Amazon Prime has a free trial period before you're committed for the year. Don't quote me on this, but you might be able to test run the pilot and then cancel the membership if you don't like it).

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 27 2019, 8:48pm

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I won't watch it at all.

And I do have an Amazon Prime account.

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Althoun
Lorien

Nov 27 2019, 9:12pm

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The Star Wars auditions... [In reply to] Can't Post

....a couple of years back, had lead characters under the names "Rachel" and "Bill", discussing things like: "there's a barn over there....I don't like blood...your a squemish girl...we need to get some food in you...I'm not hungry...it wasn't a request".

(That's legit the verbatim lines).

Here's an actual tape for you to compare with these LotR ones:

https://youtu.be/a2XB0NHF-gs

This is just standard practice in the industry and we know for sure that Amazon have done the same for WoT (fake names, fake dialogue and scenes that often deliberately warp, obscure or outright change the actual plot).

Its just designed to test the actor's range, ability to convey certain key emotions, intonation and inflection etc.

Cirashala is thus spot on and its also why I'm not yet in the category of the doom-mongers!

At the very least, Amazon seem to have had more fun with their mock audition scripts than the ultra-mundane Star Wars ones. At least they give us more to speculate about than 'Rachel' and 'Bob' chatting about food, blood and barns.


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Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Nov 27 2019, 9:43pm

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just like mom used to make Tongue

(Sorry, couldn't resist Wink)

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Solicitr
Rohan

Nov 28 2019, 3:36am

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....a couple of years back, had lead characters under the names "Rachel" and "Bill", discussing things like: "there's a barn over there....I don't like blood...your a squemish girl...we need to get some food in you...I'm not hungry...it wasn't a request".


Shame they didn't use that script instead of what did wind up in Ep VIII


Hasuwandil
Rivendell


Nov 28 2019, 6:14am

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In a Deadline article from June 11, 2018, Jennifer Salke said:


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I think you can know that we’re not remaking the movies, but we’re also not starting from scratch. So, it’ll be characters you love.


Now, by my count we have the names of sixteen rumored characters:

Tyra
Hennah
Branna
Beldor
Neldor
Eldien
Aric
Oren
Brac
Radagar
Kari
Everad
Loda
Hamsom
Cole
Calenon

None of these names are those of "characters we love" from Tolkien's works. Assuming Salke's statement still holds true, it seems at least some of these must be code names for canonical Tolkien characters.

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Althoun
Lorien

Nov 28 2019, 12:17pm

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....a couple of years back, had lead characters under the names "Rachel" and "Bill", discussing things like: "there's a barn over there....I don't like blood...your a squemish girl...we need to get some food in you...I'm not hungry...it wasn't a request".


Shame they didn't use that script instead of what did wind up in Ep VIII


I'm no Star Wars fan (so never saw the film myself), but I did find it weird how the critical reception from professional reviewers was very positive, whereas the fan reaction was decidedly negative.

As it is, the audition tape I gave a link to was actually for episode VII, I do believe Wink


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Nov 28 2019, 1:19pm

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I bet all of these are code names. It's standard practice to use fake names like this in auditions to stop leaks, and as we can see, the fake names have indeed leaked. The dialogue in auditions are also not given the same time and effort as the dialogue in the actual show. So the names are fake, and the dialogue and character descriptions are not any indication of the quality of the actual show.

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Archestratie
Rivendell


Nov 28 2019, 1:56pm

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....a couple of years back, had lead characters under the names "Rachel" and "Bill", discussing things like: "there's a barn over there....I don't like blood...your a squemish girl...we need to get some food in you...I'm not hungry...it wasn't a request".


Shame they didn't use that script instead of what did wind up in Ep VIII


Totally agreed. I'd take the Star Wars Holiday Special over TLJ any day.

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fantasywind
Bree

Nov 30 2019, 9:32am

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....a couple of years back, had lead characters under the names "Rachel" and "Bill", discussing things like: "there's a barn over there....I don't like blood...your a squemish girl...we need to get some food in you...I'm not hungry...it wasn't a request".

Shame they didn't use that script instead of what did wind up in Ep VIII


Oooh that burn! :) As a fellow enthusiast of good old Star Wars I salute you :). I guess we can agree that Disney sequels are to delicately put it, not as good as hoped :).


Archestratie
Rivendell


Nov 30 2019, 8:54pm

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....a couple of years back, had lead characters under the names "Rachel" and "Bill", discussing things like: "there's a barn over there....I don't like blood...your a squemish girl...we need to get some food in you...I'm not hungry...it wasn't a request".

Shame they didn't use that script instead of what did wind up in Ep VIII


Oooh that burn! :) As a fellow enthusiast of good old Star Wars I salute you :). I guess we can agree that Disney sequels are to delicately put it, not as good as hoped :).


Not at all. :(

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